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View Poll Results: What old baseball stat do you find the most overrated? | |||
Pitchers Wins | 27 | 40.91% | |
Batting avg | 3 | 4.55% | |
RBI's | 2 | 3.03% | |
Saves | 28 | 42.42% | |
Hits | 0 | 0% | |
other (please explain the one and why) | 6 | 9.09% | |
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WAR is a counting stat. It is the number of wins above the "replacement player" you contribute in a season. WAR is incorrectly used as a rate stat: Al Kaline has a career WAR of 92.5 (meaning he single handedly generated 92.5 extra wins for his team), Wade Boggs has a career WAR of 91.1. Some people would claim Boggs contributed less than Kaline, however Boggs was able to generate 91.1 WAR with 856 fewer plate appearances. I would venture to guess Wade Boggs would have been able to generate 1.4 WAR with an extra856 plate appearances (more than one full season).
Here are the WAR/100PA leaders (at least 8,000 PA) (obviously offensive only): Babe Ruth: 1.535 Mike Trout: 1.343 (added for reference ) Rogers Hornsby: 1.340 Barry Bonds: 1.288 Mike Schmidt: 1.275 Ted Williams: 1.259 Willie Mays: 1.250 Lou Gehrig: 1.163 Ty Cobb: 1.155 Honus Wagner: 1.115 Tris Speaker: 1.115 Mickey Mantle: 1.107 Eddie Collins: 1.029 Hank Aaron: 1.023 Stan Musial: 1.007 Jimmie Foxx: 1.007 Albert Pujols: .965 Alex Rodriguez: .964 Eddie Mathews: .954 Roberto Clemente: .925 Joe Morgan: .885 Wade Boggs: .848 Rickey Henderson: .830 Cap Anson: .828 Al Kaline: .798 Adrian Beltre: .790 Cal Ripken Jr.: .741 Carl Yastrzemski: .687 Additionally, WAR cannot be used to compare players over multiple eras. There is no stat that does this. An example: In 1920, when Babe Ruth played, there were 18.25 million white men between the age of 20-44 and 208 pitchers in the league; so Babe Ruth faced (on average) the best pitcher in a pool of 87,786 people. In 2010, when Alex Rodriguez played, there were approximately 88.62 million men between the age of 20-44 between the US, Japan, DR, Puerto Rico and Venezuela. There were 635 pitchers in the league; so Alex Rodriguez faced (on average) the best pitcher in a pool of 139,558 people. If we use 2010 as the point of reference (to compare older players to the players of today) then every stat, including WAR would need to be adjusted 62.9%. So Babe Ruth's 11.9 WAR for 1920, would be adjusted to 7.5 in 2010, which would be tied for 6th with Albert Pujols. Edited to add: Wins is the most overrated stat. No one really pays attention to saves, the all time career saves leader has never been inducted into the Hall of Fame while holding the title. So, I don't think anyone over rates it. Last edited by jhs5120; 08-25-2016 at 02:21 PM. |
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