TCMA "The 1930's" & Glass Plate Negatives

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by biohazard

Cool plates. Have you looked into the cost of the MLB licensing fee?

These would be produced through Photo File, who has the licensing.

[MikeGarcia]

..I'd love to see a version of those gorgeous pictures printed with a narrow white border so us centering weenies would have something to agonize over and kvetch about..


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..sort of similar to the 1930's Gold Medal Wheaties or Worch Cigar style , as an optional design and size...good luck with this ; fascinating concept : new old cards !

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[EvilKing00]

Is there a babe ruth glass plate ?

[sreader3]

Copyright lasts 75 years for "works for hire" (e.g. August 24, 1941) or life of the author (e.g. photographer) plus 50 years for non-"works for hire" so most of these negatives should be public domain, no?

Edited to add: Not sure why you would need an MLB license without copyright protection. Maybe Paul can add something . . . .

[bbcard1]

the look awesome, but if the were not card size, I wouldn't have any interest.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Copyright lasts 75 years for "works for hire" (e.g. August 24, 1941) or life of the author (e.g. photographer) plus 50 years for non-"works for hire" so most of these negatives should be public domain, no?

I don't think they are considered public domain but this stuff gets murky at best when trying to determine what is allowed and what is not. At the very least we've got licensing from MLB that allows us to use the team logos.

Rights to sell and profit from photos printed of the individual players comes down to their Rights of Publicity based upon which state they passed away in, and if their Rights of Publicity are still in tact we would need to have individual deals with each players estate in order to cover ourselves.

So, there are some players we just might not be able to do, like Joe Dimaggio unfortunately, because he passed away in California and his Rights of Publicity are still in tact. So, his estate makes the rules and Photo File does not currently have a deal with them.

[sreader3]

Originally Posted by TCMA

I don't think they are considered public domain but this stuff gets murky at best when trying to determine what is allowed and what is not. At the very least we've got licensing from MLB that allows us to use the team logos.

Rights to sell and profit from photos printed of the individual players comes down to their Rights of Publicity based upon which state they passed away in, and if their Rights of Publicity are still in tact we would need to have individual deals with each players estate in order to cover ourselves.

So, there are some players we just might not be able to do, like Joe Dimaggio unfortunately, because he passed away in California and his Rights of Publicity are still in tact. So, his estate makes the rules and Photo File does not currently have a deal with them.

It seems crazy to me that heirs can cash in on the likeness of a famous deceased relative in perpetuity but sounds like you know your stuff. Thanks for the response.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Is there a babe ruth glass plate ?

In the glass plate negative archive at Photo File there is at one that I know of but it wasn't part of "The 1930's" set. It's Ruth in street clothes going through a turnstile.

[TCMA]

Here is another example of what is possible with these glass plate negatives. This is one of the few from the collection currently offered by Photo File and it does a good job of showing the difference in quality from the original cards to a modern print, even if this is a low-res scan:

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by TCMA

In the glass plate negative archive at Photo File there is at one that I know of but it wasn't part of "The 1930's" set. It's Ruth in street clothes going through a turnstile.

Interesting, id love to see it, if you come across it!

Also.. Since its not part of the 1930's set... Will u be making a card of this image?

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

Interesting, id love to see it, if you come across it!

Also.. Since its not part of the 1930's set... Will u be making a card of this image?

We would not make a print of this shot for the proposed issue I'm considering, since it's not part of "The 1930's" set. Something we could definitely offer separately though.

Here is the image. This particular print was created directly from the glass plate negative, likely in the late 80's or early 90's:

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by TCMA

We would not make a print of this shot for the proposed issue I'm considering, since it's not part of "The 1930's" set. Something we could definitely offer separately though.

Here is the image. This particular print was created directly from the glass plate negative, likely in the late 80's or early 90's:

Wow, very cool andrew! Thanks for posting it. I have never seen that image before.

[TCMA]

Originally Posted by MikeGarcia

..I'd love to see a version of those gorgeous pictures printed with a narrow white border so us centering weenies would have something to agonize over and kvetch about..

..sort of similar to the 1930's Gold Medal Wheaties or Worch Cigar style , as an optional design and size...good luck with this ; fascinating concept : new old cards !

Thanks for the input! Definitely, I would want them to be bordered but I think we're going to have to stick to standard sizes due to licensing restrictions. Even 5x7's might be pushing it. Project would have to be approved by MLB, so we'll see what they come back with once we're ready to move forward.