Need advice ASAP on PSA ticket grading

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

There is no reason to continue this discussion with you if you think a scored WS game program from the Called Shot game isn't particularly valuable. If you really think that, then there is nothing else to discuss.
There are many more of that ticket in existence than scored programs from that game. An advanced Ruth or WS collector would likely pay as much, perhaps more, for it than the ticket. The tickets are desirable, but aren't really rare. OTOH, I can't remember ever seeing a scored program from that game. Not being sarcastic, but does anyone know of an example of a scored program from that game being sold previously? IF so, do you know when it was and how much it sold for?

Scored programs sell all the time:

$637

$650

No bid - $200 minimum

Here are scored program/ticket combos with BEAUTIFUL tickets that all sold for less than the ugly PSA 2:

$500 Less

Also $500 Less

[Lordstan]

Ok. I stand corrected on that value.
Still $2500 for the ticket is going rate.

Any response on the lack of quality control to the grading?

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Ok. I stand corrected on that value.
Still $2500 for the ticket is going rate.

Any response on the lack of quality control to the grading?

Not really. I think they do a better job than most, but make more mistakes than they should. PSA numeric grades carry a premium, why? People can be idiots. Those idiots help fund my hobby, so I'm not going to complain.

[Shoeless Moe]

Many graded authentic are better then ones graded 1, 2, 3, 4 etc.

On their form you have the choice to just get it graded as Authentic.

Some people just want it known that its not a fake, reprint, etc. Thus they say just code it Authentic, and don't care if its a 1 or 5.

So pretty sure many graded Authentic are in much better shape then ones with grades.

You can go on Ebay and see a near perfect ticket and it will say
authentic not have a 1 2 or 7.

There is no uniform grading in tickets, they just have a seat filler doing the job.

And the purpose of the ticket and ticket stub collecting is the event, and the fact that someone with the ticket saw the event. So you could have a perfectly mint stub go for way more for one that had creases, and the perfect one, never saw the inside of the stadium that day. I'll take the creased one that was there.

[stlcardinalsfan]

You are misinformed or just haven't seen enough tickets to know. The grading is actually pretty consistent by PSA in tickets. What is tough is that they grade the tickets just like the baseball cards. TICKETS ARE RARE... Very few remain in good shape. I always care about the grade if it is a three or higher, that is a beautiful vintage ticket. Newer tickets, I really don't care (meaning I don't value an 8 more than a ten, but very few others do). I have submitted thousands of tickets to PSA. I have also sold thousands ungraded. I am not submitting these tickets because I think they are not real. I am submitting them so they can be sold at auction, displayed with what happens at the game i.e. Historic games are nice to have on the flip. (True tickets graded authentic may have been able to receive a numeric grade but they also may have been trimmed with scissors)

An example of the importance of the flip would be the 1921 World Series. 95% of you reading this are historians but wont know what happened in games 1-5. Two of those games are worth way more than the other games. If they were in a holder even my 12 year old son could figure out which two games are the most valuable.
The poster was correct on slabbing the called shot ticket. Now 100% of the population knows what happened in that game when they look at the ticket instead of less than 20% of the population.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

An example of the importance of the flip would be the 1921 World Series. 95% of you reading this are historians but wont know what happened in games 1-5. Two of those games are worth way more than the other games. If they were in a holder even my 12 year old son could figure out which two games are the most valuable.
The poster was correct on slabbing the called shot ticket. Now 100% of the population knows what happened in that game when they look at the ticket instead of less than 20% of the population.

Complete nonsense. If you don't know what happened in Game 3 of the 1932 WS, then you have absolutely no interest in the stub--slabbed or unslabbed. Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it.

[FourStrikes]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Complete nonsense. If you don't know what happened in Game 3 of the 1932 WS, then you have absolutely no interest in the stub--slabbed or unslabbed. Only a small segment of the population has any interest in that stub--or any vintage baseball artifact--to begin with. And certainly not because PSA put a label on it.

precisely, David...

knowledge is power.

JMO

well done.

DS

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

The grading is actually pretty consistent by PSA in tickets.

By consistent, you obviously mean consistently wrong....calling Game 5 of the 1919 WS, Game 3, thus getting it wrong for your 12 year old son who only goes by the flip.

For those who don't know pretty much prior to 1920 (I could be off by a couple years) some home teams in the WS would just label their ticket 1,2,3,4 for home games, not the game number of the Series. So the 3 on the Sox Ticket was for home game # 3 of the Series for them, not the 3rd overall game. Thus 1st 2 being played in Cincy, made Game 3, White Sox home game # 1. So home game # 3 was actually Game 5 of the Series.

Originally Posted by stlcardinalsfan

You are misinformed or just haven't seen enough tickets to know.

But I just have not seen enough tickets to know.......PSA are the experts : )

[Shoeless Moe]

...hey 1 out 3 ain't bad. PSA batting .333 - Now how would you like your son to bring home a 33% on a test.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

And the purpose of the ticket and ticket stub collecting is the event, and the fact that someone with the ticket saw the event. So you could have a perfectly mint stub go for way more for one that had creases, and the perfect one, never saw the inside of the stadium that day. I'll take the creased one that was there.

Absolutely! I don't understand the fascination with complete tickets that were never anywhere near the event in question. I'll take the torn stub that was in a fan's pocket.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

People can be idiots. Those idiots help fund my hobby, so I'm not going to complain.

Gee... You sound like a certain Presidential candidate. (When he thinks no one is listening.)

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Gee... You sound like a certain Presidential candidate. (When he thinks no one is listening.)

I'm one of those idiots too. I own graded cards. Everyone in this forum either collects cardboard, old paper or pen scribbles made by dead men. There is very little room (if any) for an intellectual high ground.

Members were making a claim that plastic covered cardboard is less valuable than plastic-free cardboard. I provided evidence to the contrary. The general public prefers their cardboard covered in plastic. Why? Who cares.

[Leon]

My personal opinion is I think giving a ticket a grade doesn't accomplish anything. It's a ticket. It's a 2 or a 3, really? Why not a 4?
If you want to encase it, go ahead. But grading it, Who the heck cares as long as it looks good? That all said, if when going to sell it, I can get more than my grading fee back by doing it, then I would do it. It just makes cents.

[stlcardinalsfan]

I agree completely Leon!!!

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Leon

My personal opinion is I think giving a ticket a grade doesn't accomplish anything. It's a ticket. It's a 2 or a 3, really? Why not a 4?
If you want to encase it, go ahead. But grading it, Who the heck cares as long as it looks good? That all said, if when going to sell it, I can get more than my grading fee back by doing it, then I would do it. It just makes cents.

Or sense...