Future of grading...

[Econteachert205]

A new or revamped grading service will emerge that concentrates on high end, high priced cards only with more detailed grading and better security features.

[Billy5858]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

A new or revamped grading service will emerge that concentrates on high end, high priced cards only with more detailed grading and better security features.

+1 Special consideration for special cards.
Not all graded cards need to be treated equally.
Pay extra for the very high Enders

[1952boyntoncollector]

A new grading company could emerge secondarily to getting a high amount of traffic/customers on their site.

One example is one of those companies that gives historical pricing. If they later went into the card grading business that would be an entryway.


Another example could be an owner registry site. This would be a site where everyone could register thier 1952 Mantles no matter the grading company and people can confirm a new purchase isnt a duplicate.

Another example can be a super registry site. This site would be a much cooler registry site and also factor in grades from other grading companys to have the 'best set ever' and not just with PSA..

Basically a grading company cant come out of nowhere. I know the normal come out of nowhere process would be former respected graders from PSA etc, but i think it would take an already popular business that people respected and then respected graders etc..

[swarmee]

Would anyone give credence to a registry site that permitted other TPG grades? What graders would those registry sets accept? PSA, SGC, BVG/BGS, KSA?, ISA? PRO?, all of them?

I can see the SGC and maybe Beckett people getting behind a better registry site, but the PSA people will thumb their nose at sheet cut Gretzky rookies and short BGS Jeter rookies, and not go through all the work to import their cards to another competitor site.

People are loyal to their grading company of choice like smokers are to their brand. PSA is still Marlboro. Or Microsoft. Or Coca Cola. They are the vast majority of the market, and once a company gets to that position, it is rare to give it up.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Would anyone give credence to a registry site that permitted other TPG grades? What graders would those registry sets accept? PSA, SGC, BVG/BGS, KSA?, ISA? PRO?, all of them?

I can see the SGC and maybe Beckett people getting behind a better registry site, but the PSA people will thumb their nose at sheet cut Gretzky rookies and short BGS Jeter rookies, and not go through all the work to import their cards to another competitor site.

People are loyal to their grading company of choice like smokers are to their brand. PSA is still Marlboro. Or Microsoft. Or Coca Cola. They are the vast majority of the market, and once a company gets to that position, it is rare to give it up.

well if you have a registry company that claims they are re-grading all known grading company submissions when they enter it into a super master registry..they are halfway there to being a new grading company. They could also have sub grades to psa 8s (for database purposes) and call them 8.2s etc for owner registry purposes to beat out an offcentered psa 8. Dont need to make up new flips, its just what would be entered into the database. So if one guy has a psa 8 set..he may now be behind someone else's psa 8 set as a third party determined who had a better set etc

[swarmee]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

well if you have a registry company that claims they are re-grading all known grading company submissions when they enter it into a super master registry.

Best you guys can hope for is that someone buys out PSA. Nobody is going to send all their PSA graded cards to a currently unknown TPG to get regraded for a currently unbuilt registry website. As I've said before in these recurring threads, the only way another company comes in is if they DRASTICALLY UNDERCUT the price of PSA's $6/card bulk submission specials.

Nothing else will make a dent, IMO. Maybe Beckett buys out SGC, and loads their black gaskets into the BVG holders? And takes over SGC's lousy website and integrates it with Becketts?

Hearing the reports at the National of PSA grading being slammed all week and the SGC employees either "twiddling their thumbs" or "looking like sad puppies" make me think the battle has already been lost.

[Bigdaddy]

I believe that there is room for a new company to come out of nowhere and bring a computer based grading service to the table. I know this has been discussed before, but with all the talk of inconsistency, 'eye appeal' and changing standards, I could see a 'software weenie' developing some code that would put today's graders to shame. There are so many optical recognition codes out there now including facial recognition - Facebook can tell me who's in a photo before I can tag it, it seems like it would be low-hanging fruit to optically measure borders, color, registration, corner wear, etc and give them numerical grades and then combine those grades into an overall grade that is more in line with what we call 'eye appeal'. And then also to bring some innovation into the registry.

[basesareempty]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Best you guys can hope for is that someone buys out PSA. Nobody is going to send all their PSA graded cards to a currently unknown TPG to get regraded for a currently unbuilt registry website. As I've said before in these recurring threads, the only way another company comes in is if they DRASTICALLY UNDERCUT the price of PSA's $6/card bulk submission specials.

Nothing else will make a dent, IMO. Maybe Beckett buys out SGC, and loads their black gaskets into the BVG holders? And takes over SGC's lousy website and integrates it with Becketts?

Hearing the reports at the National of PSA grading being slammed all week and the SGC employees either "twiddling their thumbs" or "looking like sad puppies" make me think the battle has already been lost.

I stood in that PSA line Saturday for 2 hours to have about 100 cards submitted for grading and was told by the customer service rep that they had already received more submissions to take back to CA then they ever had at any show. When I walked by the SGC booth there were a few people filling out submissions, but there was no line at all.
Also while looking through dealers booths the number of PSA slabbed cards vs. SGC slabbed cards was also noticeable. For years people said Pre war to SGC and Topps/Bowman era to PSA but I have been seeing a trend of more Pre War era cards in PSA slabs with the set registry/ higher prices fueling this trend.
My only complaint with PSA is their turnaround times with bulk submissions taking up to 3 months to grade but a recent thread over on their board looks like they are addressing this issue with a posting for jobs looking for graders at their Newport Beach location.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Best you guys can hope for is that someone buys out PSA. Nobody is going to send all their PSA graded cards to a currently unknown TPG to get regraded for a currently unbuilt registry website. As I've said before in these recurring threads, the only way another company comes in is if they DRASTICALLY UNDERCUT the price of PSA's $6/card bulk submission specials.

Nothing else will make a dent, IMO. Maybe Beckett buys out SGC, and loads their black gaskets into the BVG holders? And takes over SGC's lousy website and integrates it with Becketts?

Hearing the reports at the National of PSA grading being slammed all week and the SGC employees either "twiddling their thumbs" or "looking like sad puppies" make me think the battle has already been lost.

Agree.