the crazy price thread...

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

"Nothing to compare," except if you're a picky buyer, and the 8 is a better card than the 9.

Until that picky buyer pays for an 8 within 30k or whatever is remotely close of what that worse 9 goes for from this date on, yes there is nothing to compare......talk is cheap, when people have to put money where their mouth suddenly they dont pony up..

[MattyC]

I've done it on multiple occasions. And you sadly miss the point entirely.

It may shock an apparent grade whore like you, who myopically focuses only on price tag and sticker, but some of us collectors will actually see a card that we wouldn't spend a penny on-- despite the fact that someone else will spend a ton on that very same card.

I have passed on PSA 9s, choosing not to spend a penny on them, and instead chose to shatter VCP history for PSA 8s of the same card-- because, to my eye, the PSA 9 had major eye appeal flaws, and the PSA 8 struck my eye as the better card. I have nothing against a high grade card; in fact, I like them-- when the card itself merits the grade.

If you do not understand that, as a buyer, you can compare 8s and 9s, or 9s and 10s, or a 5 and a 9, then you don't collect cards.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I've done it on multiple occasions. And you sadly miss the point entirely.

It may shock an apparent grade whore like you, who myopically focuses only on price tag and sticker, but some of us collectors will actually see a card that we wouldn't spend a penny on-- despite the fact that someone else will spend a ton on that very same card.

I have passed on PSA 9s, choosing not to spend a penny on them, and instead chose to shatter VCP history for PSA 8s of the same card-- because, to my eye, the PSA 9 had major eye appeal flaws, and the PSA 8 struck my eye as the better card. I have nothing against a high grade card; in fact, I like them-- when the card itself merits the grade.

If you do not understand that, as a buyer, you can compare 8s and 9s, or 9s and 10s, or a 5 and a 9, then you don't collect cards.

we have gone through this grade argument before.. and i know your philosophy and you have terrific cards.....

let me see you pay 125k for a psa 8 koufax than we can talk...this thread is about the koufax....i dont care how great looking the card is..if its an 8 you, MattyC arent going to pay 125k..until you do, theres really nothing to argue about...talk is very cheap....

its one thing when its a few k..even tens of k difference..but thats not the case with this koufax

people sell the holder not the card..... someday we may see in a auction listing 'bad example for the grade' let me know when that happens too

[pokerplyr80]

I don't think Matt is suggesting a nice 8 Koufax will outsell a flawed 9. Just that you can compare an 8 to a 9 and decide the 8 is the better card. I agree that I would rather step up and break a VCP record for a dead centered lower grade card with nice eye appeal than find a bargain priced card a grade or two higher with centering or tilt issues, or another flaw like a print defect or registration issue.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I don't think Matt is suggesting a nice 8 Koufax will outsell a flawed 9. Just that you can compare an 8 to a 9 and decide the 8 is the better card. I agree that I would rather step up and break a VCP record for a dead centered lower grade card with nice eye appeal than find a bargain priced card a grade or two higher with centering or tilt issues, or another flaw like a print defect or registration issue.

Well than i dont know his point...my point is that a 9 will destroy an 8 in price and you cant compare what a 8 sells for versus a 9 because thats a grand canyon with exponential difference unlike 5s versus 6s. This thread was about given what 8s sell for versus a 9 and if the prices are related.. My point was it makes no sense to compare the two when someone wont pay for an 8 even remotely close to what a current 9 Koufax will sell for

The best 8 ever in the world (never attempted to be bumped) wont come remotely close to price at the current time as the 9 for sale at Heritage. No mater what faults you have with that 9. If people truly buy the card and are not buying the holder than that would not be the case.. Yes i have paid a PSA 4 price for a PSA 3 card if it involves 200 bucks etc. Nobody going to do that involving 100k etc.

[Stonepony]

Grade whore?LOL

[Mdmtx]

I used to know a great whore. Long time ago.