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Old 07-18-2016, 03:07 PM
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Well, MLB could do like the NHL where all the awards are known by a player's name (ie, the Calder Trophy for the ROY)

Let's see:

Jackie Robinson Award - ROY

Cy Young Award - Best pitcher in baseball
Christy Mathewson Award - NL
Walter Johnson Award - AL

Ty Cobb Award - Best hitter/highest BA in baseball
Honus Wagner/Tony Gwynn Award - NL
Ted Williams - AL

Hank Aaron Award - Most HRs in baseball
Babe Ruth Award - AL
Willie Mays Award - NL

Fielding Awards:

OF - Tris Speaker Award
2B - Joe Morgan Award
C - Johnny Bench Award
SS - Ozzie Smith Award
3B - Brooks Robinson Award

The only one I have a concern with would be the Walter Johnson Award. I'm afraid the name would be shortened, and it would euphemistically be known as "The Johnson Award"

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Edited to correct the name of the Calder Trophy (thanks to Paul H for the correction).
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Well, MLB could do like the NHL where all the awards are known by a player's name (ie, the Hobey Baker Award for the ROY)



Let's see:



Jackie Robinson Award - ROY



Cy Young Award - Best pitcher in baseball

Christy Mathewson Award - NL

Walter Johnson Award - AL



Ty Cobb Award - Best hitter/highest BA in baseball

Honus Wagner/Tony Gwynn Award - NL

Ted Williams - AL



Hank Aaron Award - Most HRs in baseball

Babe Ruth Award - AL

Willie Mays Award - NL



Fielding Awards:



OF - Tris Speaker Award

2B - Joe Morgan Award

C - Johnny Bench Award

SS - Ozzie Smith Award

3B - Brooks Robinson Award



The only one I have a concern with would be the Walter Johnson Award. I'm afraid the name would be shortened, and it would euphemistically be known as "The Johnson Award"



Steve

Change Aaron to Bonds (Aaron already has an award after him too), Bench to Pudge, OF Andruw Jones.


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Well, MLB could do like the NHL where all the awards are known by a player's name (ie, the Hobey Baker Award for the ROY)

Let's see:

Jackie Robinson Award - ROY

Cy Young Award - Best pitcher in baseball
Christy Mathewson Award - NL
Walter Johnson Award - AL

Ty Cobb Award - Best hitter/highest BA in baseball
Honus Wagner/Tony Gwynn Award - NL
Ted Williams - AL

Hank Aaron Award - Most HRs in baseball
Babe Ruth Award - AL
Willie Mays Award - NL

Fielding Awards:

OF - Tris Speaker Award
2B - Joe Morgan Award
C - Johnny Bench Award
SS - Ozzie Smith Award
3B - Brooks Robinson Award

The only one I have a concern with would be the Walter Johnson Award. I'm afraid the name would be shortened, and it would euphemistically be known as "The Johnson Award"

Steve
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Old 07-18-2016, 05:28 PM
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The only one I have a concern with would be the Walter Johnson Award. I'm afraid the name would be shortened, and it would euphemistically be known as "The Johnson Award"

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Be glad we're not talking about Randy Johnson, because then it would be "The Big Unit Award."
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I think all MLB awards should have the name of a great player attached. For me, it doesn't even have to be the "best" player. Attaching names to awards encourages people to think (and care) about the the history of the game.

Same goes for other sports. I especially like the college football awards -- Heisman, Lombardi, Nagurski, Thorpe etc. etc.
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Well, MLB could do like the NHL where all the awards are known by a player's name (ie, the Hobey Baker Award for the ROY)



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Steve, The NHL ROY is the Calder award. The Hobey Baker award is for college hockey's best player. BTW I'm always looking for Hobey items if anyone has any

That being said, I like the idea of the Matty and WaJo awards but it will never happen!
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Steve, The NHL ROY is the Calder award. The Hobey Baker award is for college hockey's best player. BTW I'm always looking for Hobey items if anyone has any

That being said, I like the idea of the Matty and WaJo awards but it will never happen!
They named a sports award after a sculptor?



Used to go past one of his workshops pretty regularly as a kid, and some of the local towns had small lawn sculptures until they got expensive enough that people stole a couple, after that they all got sent to art auctions.

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...with the history of baseball, the idea of having an Andruw Jones award is kind of hilarious.

...and I think Willie Mays should be on more awards:

Best Pitcher - NL = Willie Mays
Best Pitcher - AL = Willie Mays
MVP - NL = Willie Mays
MVP - AL = Willie Mays
ROY - AL = Willie Mays
ROY - NL = Willie Mays

(kind of brings to mind... "At first base, Bugs Bunny. At second base Bugs Bunny. At third base, Bugs Bunny...")
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IMHO there are already enough awards named after players. The 'age of specialization' lends itself to even more possibilities: Best set-up man; best seventh inning reliever; best OF performing in a platooned roll; etc. etc.

Statues are another thing - I'm not sure if Burger King has one in the works for me yet.

Too much celebrating for just performing whether as a player or an eater.

They have their piles of money and they can make their own statues - as Ivan Rodriguez has in his back yard (S.I. story).
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...with the history of baseball, the idea of having an Andruw Jones award is kind of hilarious.

...and I think Willie Mays should be on more awards:

Best Pitcher - NL = Willie Mays
Best Pitcher - AL = Willie Mays
MVP - NL = Willie Mays
MVP - AL = Willie Mays
ROY - AL = Willie Mays
ROY - NL = Willie Mays

(kind of brings to mind... "At first base, Bugs Bunny. At second base Bugs Bunny. At third base, Bugs Bunny...")

No- Who's on First, What's on second, and I don't know is on third
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with the history of baseball, the idea of having an Andruw Jones award is kind of hilarious.
well, he IS easily the greatest fielding CF'er of all time, it really isn't even close. every fielding statistic of any merit has him wayy ahead of everyone else
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well, he IS easily the greatest fielding CF'er of all time, it really isn't even close. every fielding statistic of any merit has him wayy ahead of everyone else
I'd feel completely comfortable taking Mays over Jones in a purely defensive role.
People who watched him play speak of his incredible instincts to go with his out of this world physical talents... Obviously Jones was a great defensive player, but better than the guy who had to patrol the vast Polo Grounds and the horrors of Candlestick? I don't think so.
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2B - Joe Morgan Award


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David, I'm ok with your suggestion, except that I prefer the "Big Train" rather than "Barney."
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