Indirect witch hunt @ buyers who don't pay, after an "I'll take it"

[VintageJay]

Richard - There was no renege. To be honest, it was a card I really needed for my Red Sox back runs.

It was basically a simple mistake made by me of not checking my personal email while working on the road. Once I returned, and found out that he had sold the card, I sent the seller an apologetic email and even went as far as telling him I'm glad the card found a new home.

I'm not upset about the transaction, or lack thereof, as much as I'm peeved about the way the seller (who sold the card and wasn't out anything in the end) decided to come on the board two weeks after the fact and start sprouting off after ignoring my messages.

Anyway, this will be my final post on the issue.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by VintageJay

Richard - There was no renege. To be honest, it was a card I really needed for my Red Sox back runs.

It was basically a simple mistake made by me of not checking my personal email while working on the road. Once I returned, and found out that he had sold the card, I sent the seller an apologetic email and even went as far as telling him I'm glad the card found a new home.

I'm not upset about the transaction, or lack thereof, as much as I'm peeved about the way the seller (who sold the card and wasn't out anything in the end) decided to come on the board two weeks after the fact and start sprouting off after ignoring my messages.

Anyway, this will be my final post on the issue.

Richard, i agree when people reneg (and when people owe money in general) they disappear...whats a bit different is i never got an email apologizing from someone that reneged...they just disappear for awhile until its their belief the seller has forgotten now and has sold the card so 'no harm no foul' and the seller has probably had new problems to deal with over that course of time so the reneg person can now show their face and pretend nothing has happened..

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by VintageJay

Richard - There was no renege. To be honest, it was a card I really needed for my Red Sox back runs.

It was basically a simple mistake made by me of not checking my personal email while working on the road. Once I returned, and found out that he had sold the card, I sent the seller an apologetic email and even went as far as telling him I'm glad the card found a new home.

I'm not upset about the transaction, or lack thereof, as much as I'm peeved about the way the seller (who sold the card and wasn't out anything in the end) decided to come on the board two weeks after the fact and start sprouting off after ignoring my messages.

Anyway, this will be my final post on the issue.

Jay,
I know you were not reneging but renegers never communicate with a seller, in my experience, so as a seller I assume when I never hear from them again, after several attempts on my part, that I am being stiffed.
Lack of communication is the frustrating thing in these instances.
Common courtesy is out the door with some people.
They could care less that this is how someone makes a living, they just want to bail.

[MooseDog]

I'll admit I'm very close to being considered an "old fart" and maybe my generation and before just were infused with a little bit more of a sense of fair play and such but if y'all would indulge me for a second this could have been solved by:

1) The "accused" apologizing for lack of communication
2) The OP accepting and apologizing for public shaming
3) Shake hands...over...done. Move on.

Seems to me that these days everybody has to be seen as the "winner" in any dispute.

[VintageJay]

Originally Posted by MooseDog

I'll admit I'm very close to being considered an "old fart" and maybe my generation and before just were infused with a little bit more of a sense of fair play and such but if y'all would indulge me for a second this could have been solved by:

1) The "accused" apologizing for lack of communication
2) The OP accepting and apologizing for public shaming
3) Shake hands...over...done. Move on.

Seems to me that these days everybody has to be seen as the "winner" in any dispute.

#1 had been done long before this thread.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by VintageJay

Anyway, this will be my final post on the issue.

[VintageJay]

Ha! :d

[Leon]

Originally Posted by VintageJay

Ha! :d

How many card deals have you backed out of, for any reason, since coming onto our board? I am just curious.....thanks

[VintageJay]

Hi Leon,

I haven't backed out of any. There was this deal, which wasn't backing out just miscommunication on my part due to being away for work across the country and not checking my personal email.

And there was another deal that should have gone through on Friday if it hadn't been for the OP messaging a "friend" who then decided to cancel the deal.

The OP is calling this a "witch hunt", and he couldn't be more correct about that. Though, I'm not sure if he knows the meaning of that term.

I can give you both names if you want. I'm being called out for no reason so I don't think it would be a big deal to name them.

Also, I appreciate those who have PM'd me showing their support. A couple of bad eggs aren't going to ruin this for me.

Thanks,
Jay

[whitehse]

Seems to me these type of threads are becoming more common here.

A wise man once said "baseball is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball."

Shouldn't the B/S/T be the same thing? "You post an item, you get an offer, you get paid for the item and you ship the item!"

I just don't understand why this is so hard.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by whitehse

Seems to me these type of threads are becoming more common here.



A wise man once said "baseball is a very simple game. You throw the ball, you catch the ball, you hit the ball."



Shouldn't the B/S/T be the same thing? "You post an item, you get an offer, you get paid for the item and you ship the item!"



I just don't understand why this is so hard.

+1

[shammus]

Originally Posted by VintageJay

Hi Leon,

I haven't backed out of any. There was this deal, which wasn't backing out just miscommunication on my part due to being away for work across the country and not checking my personal email.

I think you might be missing the point here. The main issue really isn't communication, although, yes, that's an important part of it too. The issue I'm seeing is that you committed to buying a card and said you were going to get the card paid for, twice, on a specific day and time and then didn't do it. So, the impression that I have here is that you didn't keep your word, in addition to the communication issues.

Also, according to Josh in his original post, the 2nd individual also had issues with you not communicating/following up on a transaction. I can let Josh comment further if he chooses but I didn't get the impression from Josh's post that that deal died because Josh's friend backed out of it.

...I'm being called out for no reason...

Disagreed. If you're not following up and making good on your end of a transaction, that is something that we want to hear about on the board as that's not the way we do business here. One incident isn't such a bad thing, mistakes happen, we get that. However, per Josh's post, he didn't start this thread because of what happened between you and him. He started this because you had balked on a second transaction between yourself and a friend of his, making this a repeat occurrence in my book.

[Luke]

I was going to stay out of this, but since you're asking Brian, I'm the second one. I knew that he he had left Josh hanging, but figured I'd give him a chance.

He claimed one of my cards on Tuesday night via email. I replied saying "you got it, here's my paypal info...".

About 24 hours later I hadn't received payment or heard from him so I asked if he still wanted to buy the card or if he changed his mind (the knowledge that he had bailed before recently made me want to just ask him and get it over with if so).

He says, "I'll pay first thing Friday morning."

I said that was ok but told him that if he knew he wasn't going to be able to pay for 3 days, it would have been nice to let me know and ask if that was ok.

On Friday morning at 11:00am Pacific I just cancelled it because "first thing Friday morning" had come and gone in all time zones and again he hadn't sent me any messages to tell me what was going on.