PSA grading errors

[glynparson]

I would not recommend cracking out but sending in the holder for the bump. They have also certainly tightend their minimum size. You also need to understand what you are paying for and that's an opinion. Psa has far more graders than sgc just by human nature that tells you the opinion will vary more between two totally different individuals than between the same two graders. Like I stated they are so tough now I recommend just leaving in the holder and sending in for the bump rather than cracking out. I have had some success with this route.

[botn]

It depends on the value of the card and if I actually know the history on the card as to whether I break a card out and submit it ungraded or submit it in the holder for a review. My preference is to be able to submit it ungraded whenever possible. As Glyn mentioned due to the sheer number of graders, opinions can vary but PSA is all over the place at times. Once you break out a card you run the risk of it coming back ungraded or even lower. Does not mean you cannot submit again and PSA loves it when you do.

If you are going to break out a card you had really better know what you are looking at before doing so. There are enough bad cards out there that look good that never should have graded the first time.

[jhs5120]

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

[stargell1]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

Then how do you explain recently graded cards that are cracked out and coming back minsizereq?

Its pretty clear to me that PSA either has no clue how to grade a card, or they are ripping people off.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by stargell1

Its pretty clear to me that PSA either has no clue how to grade a card, or they are ripping people off.

All you have to do is look at post #6 in this thread and it's pretty easy to see that they have no clue how to grade a card...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=223944

[jerrys]

How about this beauty? I sent this scan to Joe Orlando questioning the high grade but I have not received a reply as yet.

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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by jerrys

How about this beauty? I sent this scan to Joe Orlando questioning the high grade but I have not received a reply as yet.

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Not sure what's wrong. I can easily see that as a 2.5 or 3. Edge and corner wear is consistent with the grade, and a single crease away from the main features of the card isn't going to downgrade it from VG. Unless that piece is totally detached and should be poor/authentic?

[GasHouseGang]

If you follow the link listed earlier in this thread, one of the guys over on the CU board said something that I think sums it up rather nicely:

"I've been reading here and seen enough of these posts to know how the system works. Here it is in a nutshell: You submit enough cards in holders for review you get a bump that either just pays for the sub, or puts you slightly ahead. Everyone wins, PSA gets paid to look at cards already graded. You submit crackouts, a number will come back higher, some lower and a few will not get a grade. You will sub the min size again and most will end up in holders, some at higher grades, some lower. You will be even, a little behind or slightly ahead. PSA gets to take grading fee's on cards that were already graded, sometimes multiple times. Advantage PSA. On the odd occasion, you hit it big (see the Ryan that went from a 9 to a 10). For this reason, people will always be willing to take the risk of cracking and subbing or sending in reviews. The system is inherently inconsistent, with one constant - PSA always wins. The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug."

[Jobu]

I have long said something similar - changing standards, a small percentage of inconsistent grades, changing flips, changing holders, and slowly improving pop reports are all things to keep people sending in cards that have already been graded (whether you send them raw or slabbed).

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

If you follow the link listed earlier in this thread, one of the guys over on the CU board said something that I think sums it up rather nicely:

"I've been reading here and seen enough of these posts to know how the system works. Here it is in a nutshell: You submit enough cards in holders for review you get a bump that either just pays for the sub, or puts you slightly ahead. Everyone wins, PSA gets paid to look at cards already graded. You submit crackouts, a number will come back higher, some lower and a few will not get a grade. You will sub the min size again and most will end up in holders, some at higher grades, some lower. You will be even, a little behind or slightly ahead. PSA gets to take grading fee's on cards that were already graded, sometimes multiple times. Advantage PSA. On the odd occasion, you hit it big (see the Ryan that went from a 9 to a 10). For this reason, people will always be willing to take the risk of cracking and subbing or sending in reviews. The system is inherently inconsistent, with one constant - PSA always wins. The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug."

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by GasHouseGang

If you follow the link listed earlier in this thread, one of the guys over on the CU board said something that I think sums it up rather nicely:

"I've been reading here and seen enough of these posts to know how the system works. Here it is in a nutshell: You submit enough cards in holders for review you get a bump that either just pays for the sub, or puts you slightly ahead. Everyone wins, PSA gets paid to look at cards already graded. You submit crackouts, a number will come back higher, some lower and a few will not get a grade. You will sub the min size again and most will end up in holders, some at higher grades, some lower. You will be even, a little behind or slightly ahead. PSA gets to take grading fee's on cards that were already graded, sometimes multiple times. Advantage PSA. On the odd occasion, you hit it big (see the Ryan that went from a 9 to a 10). For this reason, people will always be willing to take the risk of cracking and subbing or sending in reviews. The system is inherently inconsistent, with one constant - PSA always wins. The inconsistency is a feature, not a bug."

That is a cogent, insightful analysis of the PSA business model.

As for the OP, I've had it go both ways. Best crack out I ever had was a PSA 2 1954 Bowman that looked flawless. I busted it out and got a 7.

I've only tried to bump cards once. I got 2/15 bumped but they were the best two cards in the lot so go figure.

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by stargell1

Then how do you explain recently graded cards that are cracked out and coming back minsizereq?

See points 1 and 3 to answer your question in its entirety.

Originally Posted by jhs5120

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

I would also like to add. Anybody can grade a card are start a grading company, to my knowledge there are no educational courses, training and or certified courses for this subjective matter on baseball card grading. What we have here is a non regulated system and it comes down to your opinion against theirs on grading. " Opinions are like As#h%les everyone has one" just like the grading companies

Also what credentials do the graders have and or they reviewed by the owner of the said grading company to protect the owners reputation.

Ron Petersen