PSA grading errors

[Tom S.]

Originally Posted by stargell1

Has anyone ever cracked out a PSA card and sent it in to get a higher grade, and it came back un-graded due to it didn't meet minimum size requirement?

Yes.

[nrm1977]

I recently submitted to Beckett (actually first time I ever sent anything in, I've bought graded cards but never submitted)

I bought this Montana and I didn't believe the centering was an 8.

I compared the card to a bunch of a 1981's and some are even shorter than this card side to side. I really inspected the card with a 20x and don't see any evidence of someone trimming the card. Doesn't mean my card isn't/wasn't trimmed.

On final note, some people have said "well you shouldn't of cracked it out". I find that statement foolish as one of the main purposes of getting cards graded is the legitimacy of a card. I can understand if you break a card out to resubmit and it comes back a lower/higher grade but, to submit a card and it comes back "altered", no there is a bigger issue with the integrity of the said grading company. This concerns me with the whole grading process. It really makes me question why on earth people would pay $20,000+ for some of these cards that are graded, how many are trimmed or "doctored"? It really makes you think...

[glynparson]

I would not recommend cracking out but sending in the holder for the bump. They have also certainly tightend their minimum size. You also need to understand what you are paying for and that's an opinion. Psa has far more graders than sgc just by human nature that tells you the opinion will vary more between two totally different individuals than between the same two graders. Like I stated they are so tough now I recommend just leaving in the holder and sending in for the bump rather than cracking out. I have had some success with this route.

[botn]

It depends on the value of the card and if I actually know the history on the card as to whether I break a card out and submit it ungraded or submit it in the holder for a review. My preference is to be able to submit it ungraded whenever possible. As Glyn mentioned due to the sheer number of graders, opinions can vary but PSA is all over the place at times. Once you break out a card you run the risk of it coming back ungraded or even lower. Does not mean you cannot submit again and PSA loves it when you do.

If you are going to break out a card you had really better know what you are looking at before doing so. There are enough bad cards out there that look good that never should have graded the first time.

[jhs5120]

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

[stargell1]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

Then how do you explain recently graded cards that are cracked out and coming back minsizereq?

Its pretty clear to me that PSA either has no clue how to grade a card, or they are ripping people off.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by stargell1

Its pretty clear to me that PSA either has no clue how to grade a card, or they are ripping people off.

All you have to do is look at post #6 in this thread and it's pretty easy to see that they have no clue how to grade a card...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=223944

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by stargell1

Then how do you explain recently graded cards that are cracked out and coming back minsizereq?

See points 1 and 3 to answer your question in its entirety.

Originally Posted by jhs5120

1. Grading is inherently subjective
2. Grading standards evolve with the hobby
3. Graders can differ and often change

Many old school PSA and SGC slabs contain cards that would not be graded today; so crack at your own risk. Grading evolves with condition preferences of collectors and authenticators are much more cognizant of potential alterations or sizing issues.

I would also like to add. Anybody can grade a card are start a grading company, to my knowledge there are no educational courses, training and or certified courses for this subjective matter on baseball card grading. What we have here is a non regulated system and it comes down to your opinion against theirs on grading. " Opinions are like As#h%les everyone has one" just like the grading companies

Also what credentials do the graders have and or they reviewed by the owner of the said grading company to protect the owners reputation.

Ron Petersen