First time I’ve been ripped off

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Um, he MAY be doing the right thing. He's said all along he'd give the refund... In October. I don't see him addressing the timeline for refund issue. If he is refunding immediately then the thread (and community) seem to have served their purpose, which is great.

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Um, he MAY be doing the right thing. He's said all along he'd give the refund... In October. I don't see him addressing the timeline for refund issue. If he is refunding immediately then the thread (and community) seem to have served their purpose, which is great.

Agreed. The refund should be immediate, not 4 months from now.

[charrigan]

PayPal covers the buyer for purchases for up to 6 months. Time to end the polite conversation and get your money back. Good luck.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

Um, he MAY be doing the right thing. He's said all along he'd give the refund... In October. I don't see him addressing the timeline for refund issue. If he is refunding immediately then the thread (and community) seem to have served their purpose, which is great.

And originally he was only going to refund the difference his similar ball sold for in the REA auction except now we learn that ball is in the original box and probably in much better shape since he kept it with the original box. So how could he fairly make up the difference between those two balls? How was that ever a fair offer?

[vintagetoppsguy]

If I'm reading this right (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the total purchase was $2500. We know the ball was $600, so that means the bats were $1900. Is this correct?

The OP felt that the bats were misrepresented and cut his loses by selling them on eBay. I think I speak for most everyone here, but if I made a purchase of that size and felt it was misrepresented, I would ask for a refund, not cut my loses by turning around and selling them on eBay.

A few months later he feels the ball is misrepresented and now wants a refund (and I think he deserves one). I guess the part of this that doesn't make sense to me is why he was willing to cut his loses on the $1900 worth of bats, but wants a refund (again, which I think he's entitled to) on the $600 ball? Why not cut his loses on that too? Why the bats, not the ball?

It just looks strange to have the bats shipped to a third party and then immediately posted on eBay. I understand the explanation for this, but others have said the bats looked nice. This is the part that I just can't wrap my head around - why be willing to immediately cut your loses on $1900 in worthless bats, but not on a worthless ball?

Last, if the bats and ball were shipped together (I'm assuming they were), why did Greg immediately dismiss the bats as worthless, but not the ball?

[vintagetoppsguy]

One other thing, if the bats were received and immediately thought to be misrepresented, shouldn't that have raised some red flags on the ball too at the time?

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

One other thing, if the bats were received and immediately thought to be misrepresented, shouldn't that have raised some red flags on the ball too at the time?

The bats seemed to be mainly a condition issue which, while still a problem, is a much more understandable one, condition being subjective. The ball however had an objective problem. Buyer claims he was told it was something other than what it is. That's fraud as opposed to a difference of opinion. If it was an honest mistake, fine, but it's still a different caliber problem than disagreeing over condition.

[CxG Seven Dust]

There's a clinic in Dallas Texas that allows you to donate one of your balls for like 30 grand. You can always recoupe your losses that way if all else fails. Lol

All jokes aside, this is a transaction gone completely wrong.

If it was a 30 dollar ball would we be here discussing this?

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

If I'm reading this right (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the total purchase was $2500. We know the ball was $600, so that means the bats were $1900. Is this correct?

The OP felt that the bats were misrepresented and cut his loses by selling them on eBay. I think I speak for most everyone here, but if I made a purchase of that size and felt it was misrepresented, I would ask for a refund, not cut my loses by turning around and selling them on eBay.

A few months later he feels the ball is misrepresented and now wants a refund (and I think he deserves one). I guess the part of this that doesn't make sense to me is why he was willing to cut his loses on the $1900 worth of bats, but wants a refund (again, which I think he's entitled to) on the $600 ball? Why not cut his loses on that too? Why the bats, not the ball?

It just looks strange to have the bats shipped to a third party and then immediately posted on eBay. I understand the explanation for this, but others have said the bats looked nice. This is the part that I just can't wrap my head around - why be willing to immediately cut your loses on $1900 in worthless bats, but not on a worthless ball?

Last, if the bats and ball were shipped together (I'm assuming they were), why did Greg immediately dismiss the bats as worthless, but not the ball?

I agree. So many unanswered questions.

As I have stated before, if the ball is not as stated, a refund is in order. But the bat story is crazy.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I agree. So many unanswered questions.

As I have stated before, if the ball is not as stated, a refund is in order. But the bat story is crazy.

I think the the guy was looking to flip and the 'cut his losses' story is the same thing as 'going to sell at the national' or 'bought it for my personal collection' it goes in the category of who cares if true or not ..

but the ball wasnt what he paid for so he didnt want to sell that at sure loss...

thats my theory...more info can change my mind but thats what my thoughts are now..

[jonvancouver]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I think the the guy was looking to flip and the 'cut his losses' story is the same thing as 'going to sell at the national' or 'bought it for my personal collection' it goes in the category of who cares if true or not ..

but the ball wasnt what he paid for so he didnt want to sell that at sure loss...

thats my theory...more info can change my mind but thats what my thoughts are now..

To put it as simply as possible, I collect SGC 60 T206 cards that (in my opinion) are graded properly. SGC 60 cards can have a whole bunch of different conditions. Nobody is perfect. So if I buy an SGC card on eBay with a blurry photo, and it gets to me with corners that I deem too round for my collection, I try to recoup as much money as I can and move on.
If I buy a SGC 60 Green Cobb, only to find out it's counterfeit, I think I would have a hard time reselling it to recoup my investment and move on.

My options with the bats were plentiful. Greg was kind enough to list them on eBay and I took a loss. The story about the bats (in my opinion) has nothing to do with the ball. And I said that in various emails to Kevin. His opinion on condition is different than mine. He thinks they are SGC 60. I think they are slabbed SGC 60 but look like a 30. We've all seen things like this before, and almost everyone has more experience than I do.

What I can't for the life of me understand is how we all seem to be skipping over the most salient point. How in the world, could someone with so much experience that they have 220 pieces that REA deems worthy for their auction, choose the one ball in his entire collection that turns out to be not what he says it is.
How is that humanly possible? He's not new to this hobby.

I have bought many many items on this forum. I've had every single deal be flawless.

I really tried to not post again as Kevin says he will be refunding my money (even though no timeline has been spoken about) but I really don't see the harm in NOT returning the bats because it was simply a condition disagreement, that I didn't even once bring up to him!

As always, I'm here to answer any further questions. I just hope that Kevin will let me know when the refund is coming.
Jonathan Schwartz

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by jonvancouver

To put it as simply as possible, I collect SGC 60 T206 cards that (in my opinion) are graded properly. SGC 60 cards can have a whole bunch of different conditions. Nobody is perfect. So if I buy an SGC card on eBay with a blurry photo, and it gets to me with corners that I deem too round for my collection, I try to recoup as much money as I can and move on.
If I buy a SGC 60 Green Cobb, only to find out it's counterfeit, I think I would have a hard time reselling it to recoup my investment and move on.

My options with the bats were plentiful. Greg was kind enough to list them on eBay and I took a loss. The story about the bats (in my opinion) has nothing to do with the ball. And I said that in various emails to Kevin. His opinion on condition is different than mine. He thinks they are SGC 60. I think they are slabbed SGC 60 but look like a 30. We've all seen things like this before, and almost everyone has more experience than I do.

What I can't for the life of me understand is how we all seem to be skipping over the most salient point. How in the world, could someone with so much experience that they have 220 pieces that REA deems worthy for their auction, choose the one ball in his entire collection that turns out to be not what he says it is.
How is that humanly possible? He's not new to this hobby.

I have bought many many items on this forum. I've had every single deal be flawless.

I really tried to not post again as Kevin says he will be refunding my money (even though no timeline has been spoken about) but I really don't see the harm in NOT returning the bats because it was simply a condition disagreement, that I didn't even once bring up to him!

As always, I'm here to answer any further questions. I just hope that Kevin will let me know when the refund is coming.
Jonathan Schwartz

It so easy to refund..it takes like 5 seconds...not sure what the hold up is