Listing Reprints as "unknown"

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

it is against ebay policy to list a card as "unknown" off to my latest round of reporting items. Someone watch them and let us know if they're actually removed.

[nat]

It says "t206" at the top, and "unknown" further down. If it's a reprint (or a forgery) it isn't a t206 card. I assume that these guys list their cards as "unknown" in the hopes of avoiding prison, but since it says "t206" at the top, could they still be nailed for fraud?

Perhaps of more relevance, when it comes back as "? AUTH" from PSA, will the sucker who buys it be able to file a "item not as described" claim, since it isn't a t206 card?

[granite75]

I flag these things on eBay and report the item. If they're selling as a reprint, they shouldn't list it as original pre-WWII which many of these do.

[bravos4evr]

as a noob with t206, these sorts of things care me to death, sure many of you experienced collectors of these cards can spot a fake, but me? I am not so sure. Look at this one for example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163934122...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291803934819...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


and this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163939360...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



I would be hard pressed to nail these as reprints if the seller was even less cryptic than these ones are.

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?)

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

as a noob with t206, these sorts of things care me to death, sure many of you experienced collectors of these cards can spot a fake, but me? I am not so sure. Look at this one for example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163934122...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291803934819...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


and this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163939360...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



I would be hard pressed to nail these as reprints if the seller was even less cryptic than these ones are.

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?)

These are the sellers I rail about all the time. The ones who give novice collectors the impression that maybe they can get something for nothing. My favorite is the Wagner. Somehow posting a picture of PSA SAYING it's fake is going to help the legitimacy of the card???

Very simple rule. If it looks too good to be true it is. If you are buying from a seller who does not GUARANTEE the authenticity of his cards, you are playing with fire. And frankly I think you could post every card you are considering on here and ask for thoughts. I'm new here, but it wouldn't bother me. Thoughts?

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

These are the sellers I rail about all the time. The ones who give novice collectors the impression that maybe they can get something for nothing. My favorite is the Wagner. Somehow posting a picture of PSA SAYING it's fake is going to help the legitimacy of the card???

Very simple rule. If it looks too good to be true it is. If you are buying from a seller who does not GUARANTEE the authenticity of his cards, you are playing with fire. And frankly I think you could post every card you are considering on here and ask for thoughts. I'm new here, but it wouldn't bother me. Thoughts?

How do you spot the reprints , ungraded, if they are listed as real raw cards and no cryptic titles? I'd hate to spend even $30 for a common only to find out it was fake aged reprint. thirty bucks is thirty bucks!

[nat]

I don't buy many cards compared to the other folks around here, but in my (limited) experience, the scammers usually have red flags in their postings. Limited feedback is one. "I bought it at an estate auction/inherited it from my uncle/etc don't really know what it is" is another. "Listing as reprint/unknown" is another. It being a raw, high-dollar card is another.

Really, I think that the best advice is to not get greedy. Zillions of people trawl ebay every day, including everyone on this board. The deal of a lifetime is not going to sneak through. If there's anything iffy about a posting, just don't bid. It's only a baseball card, there will be another eventually.

As for spotting fakes, it's easier with the card in hand. For pre-WWII cards, a black light and magnification help a lot. (Incidentally, David Cycleback has a useful website: http://www.cycleback.com/baseballcards/index.html ) On line, it helps to be familiar with the issue. I'm not a t206 guy, so I don't have much to say about the ones linked. But the Johnson and the Cobb have suspicious corners, they look clipped and then filed down to me. But those postings are so suspicious that I'd never bid on them even if the cards looked good.


Edited to add: the ones to be really careful with are the postings by people who don't really sell cards. If they usually sell, like, yard sale junk, and just happen to have a card, the posting itself won't have anything sketchy about it, but you also can't trust them to be able to spot fakes. I usually check seller's history, and deal with these guys carefully.

[Billy5858]

I buy only raw T206 commons if other people with high feedback number have already bid. And seller has good feedback rating. And I buy my HOFers and SLers only if graded 2 or 3.......also there is a great thread on Net54 showing how to look for fakes or trimmed cards using T206ers as an example since they are traded so much

[egbeachley]

Here is how to get back at them. Bid a high, even dollar amount, like $180, then $200. Let the shill bid over that amount, then retract to $190. Then you do a retraction with just over 12 hours to go, which is the latest allowed.

They get stuck paying fees on the $190 winning bid.

[TheNightmanCometh]

I don't usually bid on anything pre-WWII, but when I officially do I will never buy from a seller that lists their card as "unknown" or "real, but listing as reprint because it isn't graded".

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by TheNightmanCometh

I don't usually bid on anything pre-WWII, but when I officially do I will never buy from a seller that lists their card as "unknown" or "real, but listing as reprint because it isn't graded".

Good, if all else fails I will always happily offer my 2¢

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

as a noob with t206, these sorts of things care me to death, sure many of you experienced collectors of these cards can spot a fake, but me? I am not so sure. Look at this one for example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163934122...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291803934819...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT


and this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222163939360...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



I would be hard pressed to nail these as reprints if the seller was even less cryptic than these ones are.

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?)

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?


You can always PM me or other board members for some help.

btw, if someone wants to report this one it could help someone else.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-Honus-W...8AAOSwzJ5XcGCH



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[Jayworld]

Originally Posted by Leon

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?


You can always PM me or other board members for some help.

btw, if someone wants to report this one it could help someone else.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-Honus-W...8AAOSwzJ5XcGCH



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Leon:
Reported.

Thanks.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by Leon

How do you sift through the crap without hopping over and asking for opinions (and risking getting sniped at the same time if it's real?


You can always PM me or other board members for some help.

btw, if someone wants to report this one it could help someone else.....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-Honus-W...8AAOSwzJ5XcGCH



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thanx man, I will take you up on that the next time I'm sketchy on something!

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

it is against ebay policy to list a card as "unknown" off to my latest round of reporting items. Someone watch them and let us know if they're actually removed.

Link? I can't find that specific verbiage

[unamuzd1]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Link? I can't find that specific verbiage

I'm guessing it was a reference to their Authenticity Disclaimer policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...sclaimers.html

[Leon]

Originally Posted by unamuzd1

I'm guessing it was a reference to their Authenticity Disclaimer policy.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...sclaimers.html

And a synopsis of the rules...

Sellers are not allowed to:
List items that aren't authentic
List items if they're not sure if they are authentic
In addition, sellers can't disclaim authenticity of their item by stating, for example:
"I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly."
"Vintage handbag Chanel???"
"Looks like this could be a Louis Vuitton bag"
"I believe this is painted by Degas, but I can't be sure."
"I got this from an estate sale, so I have no idea if it's real or not."
"The autograph looks real to me."
"I'm no expert, so look at the pictures and decide for yourself if it's real."


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[Paul S]

Originally Posted by Leon

And a synopsis of the rules...

[B]Sellers are not allowed to:
...

"I believe this is painted by Degas, but I can't be sure."
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My personal favorite.

[ALR-bishop]

I think there may be a Dean Chance 1967 Topps card in here but am not sure



Mantle, Koufax and Mays may be in these cards, but am not sure

[njdunkin1]

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think there may be a Dean Chance 1967 Topps card in here but am not sure

Haha, nice :]

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Paul S

My personal favorite.

The releasing of all liability in hopes of catching a sucker statement is nice....

"I'm no expert, so look at the pictures and decide for yourself if it's real."

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[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by Leon

And a synopsis of the rules...

Sellers are not allowed to:
List items that aren't authentic
List items if they're not sure if they are authentic
In addition, sellers can't disclaim authenticity of their item by stating, for example:
"I cannot guarantee the authenticity of this item, so please bid accordingly."
"Vintage handbag Chanel???"
"Looks like this could be a Louis Vuitton bag"
"I believe this is painted by Degas, but I can't be sure."
"I got this from an estate sale, so I have no idea if it's real or not."
"The autograph looks real to me."
"I'm no expert, so look at the pictures and decide for yourself if it's real."


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Originally Posted by Paul S

My personal favorite.

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