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It is an unimaginable tragedy, thirty-one young adults have died. It's a senseless shame. This is the reason that we play sports. It allows us to take out our agressions on the playing field. Can you imagine Barry Bonds with a gun, or Wilt Chamberlain with a gun. Thank God for sports.

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Jason L.,

Maybe I'm exaggerating the importance of sports. But how about Jesse Owens at Hitler's Olympic games. Wasn't he in fact showing the master race, that blacks could compete. If I'm totally off-base let me know. Without doubt the killings were a tragedy, but think of what this world would be like without the Olympics every four years.

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Jason L.,

Maybe I'm exaggerating the importance of sports. But how about Jesse Owens at Hitler's Olympic games. Wasn't he in fact showing the master race, that blacks could compete. If I'm totally off-base let me know. Without doubt the killings were a tragedy, but think of what this world would be like without the Olympics every four years.

Peter

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Jason L.,

Maybe I'm exaggerating the importance of sports. But how about Jesse Owens at Hitler's Olympic games. Wasn't he in fact showing the master race, that blacks could compete. If I'm totally off-base let me know. Without doubt the killings were a tragedy, but think of what this world would be like without the Olympics every four years.

Peter

Okay, the part about pondering what specific people might do if they had a gun and no sports outlet is dumb, but I think his greater point is valid.

Sports are an outlet for normal competitiveness. And the Olympics do draw people from different countries together. Americans cheering for Olga Korbut going through her gymnastic routines, for instance, has a real subliminal effect in making people realize that while governments sometimes have idiot leaders, people from different nations are generally very much like us.

I've always felt that in Europe in 1944, let's say, the average American and average German soldiers didn't hate each other at all... they probably both hated Hitler for being put in the ridiculous position of having to try to kill each other to survive.

Sports wouldn't be so universally popular if they didn't serve some real purpose. Part of that purpose is directing things like aggression, physical release of adrenaline, community or national pride and identification, the desire to be victorious (even if our actual role is to sit on a couch with a bag of Doritos cheering for our team,) into contests that are governed by rules, and don't involve bloodshed (boxing aside.)

Here in Minnesota, the Sioux Indians (in the south) used to send raiding parties against the Chippewa Indians (in the north) with regularity. Now, we send the Vikings over to Wisconsin and let them bring us glory by beating the Packers.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah if I didn't have sports teams to release my aggression vicariously I would be out there committing violent acts.

[packs]

This is just a hunch but maybe the Sioux and Chippewa ceased fighting each other because we killed both of them and took their land, then relegated them each to reserves that we didn't want.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

This is just a hunch but maybe the Sioux and Chippewa ceased fighting each other because we killed both of them and took their land, then relegated them each to reserves that we didn't want.

And here I thought it had something to do with pro football.

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Very entertaining.

Time for a Best of net54 Forum.

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One thing I remember is, when this thread was active, a PSA 4 '52 Topps Mantle could be had for about $14,000 (I think Adrian got his for a BIN of $14.1).

Ah, those were the good ol' days....

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by packs

This is just a hunch but maybe the Sioux and Chippewa ceased fighting each other because we killed both of them and took their land, then relegated them each to reserves that we didn't want.

Not sure why you use the word "we." I didn't kill anyone, did you?

Actually, European settlers didn't have battles with the Chippewa - they got along quite well in fact. The Chippewa saw white people as a valuable ally against the Sioux. Europeans were very frequently helped by the Chippewa, and they reciprocated by showing them how to parch their rice so it wouldn't go bad during the long winter (starvation had been an annual challenge.) And, they did quite a bit of trading, so it was a mutually beneficial relationship on the whole.

Even today when driving through the Nett Lake reservation, it's amazing, but every native American you pass on the road pauses what they're doing to wave greeting.

So yeah, I know it's politically correct to think Indians were saints and White people were purely evil, and you can continue to think that way if you choose.

Minnesota reservations involve some very good land by the way, and the exclusive deal Indian tribes have to run casinos brings them quite a bit of revenue.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012...illion-a-year/

Thanks to the massive profits generated by their luxury casino and resort operation, the 480 members of the Shakopee Mdewakanton Tribe in Minnesota live a comfortable life of luxury and ease.

“The payouts are the windfall from lucrative casinos and resorts that the tribe runs on its reservation in Scott County — about 45 minutes southwest of Minneapolis-St Paul,” the Daily Mail reports.
Members of the Shakopee Mdewakanton Tribe make $84K a Month

Each member of the tribe receives about $84,000 per month ($1.08 million per year), according to recent court documents. Based on these figures, that would make this the wealthiest tribe in U.S. history.

“We have 99.2 percent unemployment,” Stanley R. Crooks told the New York Times in a rare interview. “It’s entirely voluntary.”

And although tribe members keep relatively modest homes, it is reported that most of them own luxury cars, take up expensive hobbies (such as big game hunting or horse breeding), and send their children to private schools.

“Tribal members usually have multiple homes and have been known to take vacation for months at a time,” the Daily reports.

I was just trying to make the point that sports have value in providing peaceful competition, which I think is pretty obvious, but some people here are more interested in ridicule, so never mind.

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Of course sports have value. It's your suggestion that they somehow channel aggression that would otherwise be expressed as violence that is IMO dubious. And what any of this had to do with the Virginia Tech massacre is beyond me, yet you were somehow defending Chao's "larger point."

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Originally Posted by Mark17

Not sure why you use the word "we."

Reminds me of the old joke about the Lone Ranger and Tonto surrounded by hostile Indians. The Lone Ranger says "I guess we're really in trouble now" and Tonto says "What's this 'we' $h** white man?"

The Brucii had moments of utter insanity mixed with an extreme internet troll persona. He threatened to sue "Archive" for plagiarizing one of his posts and once wished me dead because I did a parody of William Shatner's SNL outburst about Trekkies who need to get a life, with him as the basement-dwelling virgin (see my tag line below). Mike O'Keefe even did an article in the NY Daily News about the craziness he pulled here.

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Who are the Bruces and why are you all RIPing them?

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Who are the Bruces and why are you all RIPing them?

Bruce Dorskind was a former member who had a knack for referring to himself in the plural all of the time. He had an incredible collection but was controversial for numerous reasons in the way he interacted with others here. He passed away a few years ago.

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