Name 3 HOF'ers you don't think belong

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by bravos4evr

well, that's your opinion man, but I think that educated fans who study the game and understand the statistics of the game are just as qualified as most of the writers who vote for the HOF in determining who is or isn't qualified (and often more so judging by some of these goofy votes recently)

Are you really replying to me? It sounds like you are trying to counter something I said, but yet nothing in your statement does counter me. They are their own stand alone thoughts that have nothing to do with what I said.

My point was that if someone gets an honor for doing a job that very few people even have the ability to maintain then I am not going to come along and say they don't deserve the honor.

If I got an honor at work of let's say "Employee of the year" (not really a thing at my job, just using it for an example), then I wouldn't really be happy if people from outside my industry started to say I didn't deserve it. Just let me have the honor and move on.

I don't mind trying to say you believe someone else deserves the honor, but I don't like trying to second guess someone else's decision to bestow an honor on someone else after the fact.

I love looking over player stats and researching them. But trying to say someone is worse than what others think seems like a negative approach to the conversation.

[pclpads]

Expect to get some heat for this, but I felt the same way about his election as I did Maz'. Maz' only HOF credential was a HR in the '60 WS. With Ozzie, great acrobatic shortstop, but the poster boy for, "good field / no hit." Being a one-trick pony ballplayer shouldn't get you in the HOF. It's why Edgar Martinez should never be in. Career DH and he's a HOF candidate? WTF?

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Expect to get some heat for this, but I felt the same way about his election as I did Maz'. Maz' only HOF credential was a HR in the '60 WS.

The Hall honors greatness, and being the greatest defensive second baseman in the history of the game is reason enough for inclusion among the immortals. The guy had a 23.9 dWAR, and 8 Gold Gloves.

I just don't get the line of thinking many have about the Hall; the guys that put runs on the board for their team....do they have a bigger impact on winning than the guys who help their team keep runs off the board?

A hitter comes to the plate four, maybe five times a game. A defender is out there for nine innings, and at any moment, the ball could be screaming in their direction.

Maz had 11,863 defensive chances at second base. He turned 1,706 double plays. How many hits, or runs, did he prevent with his glove?

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

The Hall honors greatness, and being the greatest defensive second baseman in the history of the game is reason enough for inclusion among the immortals. The guy had a 23.9 dWAR, and 8 Gold Gloves.

I just don't get the line of thinking many have about the Hall; the guys that put runs on the board for their team....do they have a bigger impact on winning than the guys who help their team keep runs off the board?

A hitter comes to the plate four, maybe five times a game. A defender is out there for nine innings, and at any moment, the ball could be screaming in their direction.

Maz had 11,863 defensive chances at second base. He turned 1,706 double plays. How many hits, or runs, did he prevent with his glove?

I can see that argument, but will the Hall put in Andruw Jones? Finest CF'er with the glove of all time, and a better hitter than Maz, Ozzie Smith or Brooks Robinson.

[stargell1]

zero

Every player inducted deserved to get in. And there are a few more who should be.

[ALR-bishop]

Well, every player inducted into the HOF is in the HOF, and someday there will be more players in the HOF. On that we can agree

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Expect to get some heat for this, but I felt the same way about his election as I did Maz'. Maz' only HOF credential was a HR in the '60 WS. With Ozzie, great acrobatic shortstop, but the poster boy for, "good field / no hit." Being a one-trick pony ballplayer shouldn't get you in the HOF. It's why Edgar Martinez should never be in. Career DH and he's a HOF candidate? WTF?

Using JAWS, Ozzie ranks well ahead of Jeter and Larkin, interestingly. And I believe that does not even include defense.

[bravos4evr]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

Are you really replying to me? It sounds like you are trying to counter something I said, but yet nothing in your statement does counter me. They are their own stand alone thoughts that have nothing to do with what I said.

My point was that if someone gets an honor for doing a job that very few people even have the ability to maintain then I am not going to come along and say they don't deserve the honor.

If I got an honor at work of let's say "Employee of the year" (not really a thing at my job, just using it for an example), then I wouldn't really be happy if people from outside my industry started to say I didn't deserve it. Just let me have the honor and move on.

I don't mind trying to say you believe someone else deserves the honor, but I don't like trying to second guess someone else's decision to bestow an honor on someone else after the fact.

I love looking over player stats and researching them. But trying to say someone is worse than what others think seems like a negative approach to the conversation.

I'm sorry, but this reeks of 'everyone gets a trophy " to me. Players play the game, their statistics tell us how well they played it. For some guys to be in lowers the level for allowing future players. Just because some group made decisions in voting (or selection in the case of the Vet's committee) doesn't mean the rest of us are bound to approve of said choices.

If you make the HOF mean less by letting in lesser players, the "honor" as you put it, becomes less meaningful.