Who would you want on the mound T206 era in clutch game?

[the 'stache]

Walter Johnson, not a doubt in my mind. Second, Christy Mathewson.

Both were fantastic pitchers. You'll get no argument from me that both could dominate, and if I couldn't have The Big Train pitch that game, I'd feel completely comfortable putting Matty on the mound.

Just to throw this out there for discussion purposes:

Christy Mathewson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1908, 11.1
1903, 9.9
1909, 9.2
1905, 9.1
1901, 9.1
1907, 7.6

Walter Johnson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1913, 14.6
1912, 13.5
1914, 11.9
1910, 11.2
1915, 11.2
1919, 10.5
1918, 10.2
1916, 9.7

[irishdenny]

Originally Posted by the 'stache

Walter Johnson, not a doubt in my mind. Second, Christy Mathewson.

Both were fantastic pitchers. You'll get no argument from me that both could dominate, and if I couldn't have The Big Train pitch that game, I'd feel completely comfortable putting Matty on the mound.

Just to throw this out there for discussion purposes:

Christy Mathewson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1908, 11.1
1903, 9.9
1909, 9.2
1905, 9.1
1901, 9.1
1907, 7.6

Walter Johnson's highest single-season WAR totals:

1913, 14.6
1912, 13.5
1914, 11.9
1910, 11.2
1915, 11.2
1919, 10.5
1918, 10.2
1916, 9.7

Hey There Billy!

I've Always Lov'd Your Outlook...
Your Due Diligence is tuf ta Ignore!

As I mention'd earlier...
Mr. Johnston's Regular Season Performance's were Impeccable!
Howevar, Even Though His Post Season Efforts were Later in his Career,
They "Were WHaT THeY Were!"
And His Season WAR was As Grand As EVaR!!!

WaJo Kinda Reminds me Somewhat of Peyton Manning...
They BoTH were Regular Season Menace's! Post Season Howevar? ~
And as Mention'd by Another Board Member,
Mr. Johnston GiveN uP "2 Bleacher Seat" Home Runs in a Post Season Game,
Shouldn't be Just Written off Because of the Need ta Add Seats!

At the Moment I'm Curious ta What Was Mr. Johnston's Post Season WAR was?
I do Know His ERA was like 2.2x

Ohh, I'm Sure You Notic'd my Long WithstandiN Avatar...
Matty & Wajo (Along wit BiG Ed Walsh!),
Have Always Been My Favorite's!!!

These Awesome Discussion's Are What Our Board were Meant Fir!!!
Don't You Agree Sir!?

Ps... I Also Share Your PassioN fir Film!
Ingrid Bergman's "Gaslight" & "Joan of Ark",
Have BeeN Favorite's of Mine Since I was a wee spit

I'm Also Curious to Your Thoughts oN weather or Not Mr. Braun will Stay iN Milwaukee!?

[irishdenny]

"My Apologies fir the Double Post Folks"

[Mark17]

Walter, and all I need is one run.

After that Alexander, Walsh, and Bender.

Matty was a great pitcher, but he also lost some big games, and Waddell was too erratic. I'd consider Brown over either of them, actually.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

He had a great World Series ERA of under 1, but he did lose the 1908 "playoff" game to Brown, and the final game of the 1912 Series, so when I think of a guy to win a big game, he's not at the top of my list, despite his obvious greatness and general dependability.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Mathewson's post season record was 5-5, just for context. He was 2-5 after his incomparable '05 series.

He gave up less than one run per nine innings. Is it his fault that he didn't get support at the bat or in the field? He was 1-5 in games that he didn't shut out the opponent.
In 1912, he pitched 3 complete games, giving up 3 earned runs in 28.2 innings, but went 0-2 because his defense allowed 8 unearned runs. In the deciding game, Matty had the Giants in position to win, but a dropped fly and dropped pop up, cost the Giants the game. Over his career, his defense gave up as many unearned runs, 11 as Matty gave up earned ones.

[the 'stache]

Hey, you just pretty much described Walter Johnson's career.

Originally Posted by rats60

He gave up less than one run per nine innings. Is it his fault that he didn't get support at the bat or in the field?

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by rats60

In the deciding game, Matty had the Giants in position to win, but a dropped fly and dropped pop up, cost the Giants the game. Over his career, his defense gave up as many unearned runs, 11 as Matty gave up earned ones.

Matty had a 1-run lead going into the bottom of the 10th inning of the final game. With one out, all he has to do is take charge and either catch Speaker's pop foul himself, or do the logical thing and call for Merkle to take it. Instead he called for Meyers (possibly the slowest-footed player in baseball) and Chief couldn't quite get to it. For Merkle or Matty it would've been an easy out. Speaker then supposedly calls out to Matty something like: "You just called for the wrong man and now it's going to cost you this ballgame," before singling in the tying run and advancing the eventual winning run to third.

That and the famous matchup with Brown at the end of the 1908 season were two huge do-or-die games Matty lost.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Ed Cicote because at least if lose the game we will make money

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Mark17

Matty had a 1-run lead going into the bottom of the 10th inning of the final game. With one out, all he has to do is take charge and either catch Speaker's pop foul himself, or do the logical thing and call for Merkle to take it. Instead he called for Meyers (possibly the slowest-footed player in baseball) and Chief couldn't quite get to it. For Merkle or Matty it would've been an easy out. Speaker then supposedly calls out to Matty something like: "You just called for the wrong man and now it's going to cost you this ballgame," before singling in the tying run and advancing the eventual winning run to third.

That and the famous matchup with Brown at the end of the 1908 season were two huge do-or-die games Matty lost.

Matty's biggest mistake in that game came on the previous hitter. He walked the light-hitting Steve Yerkes, putting the winning run on base, and bringing up Speaker (who hit .383 that year).