Anyone heard of a Waner/Collins/Speaker… 3k hit ticket

[GDoggy]

Question for Randall (mcgwirecom),

How reliable do you believe PSA to be on early undated tickets. The Walter Johnson 3,000th you show is from game 57. I am skeptical of this. If I go to a site like Baseball Reference and count down to the 57th home game played, I find this to have been on July 22nd, which is what they date the ticket as. To me, the scheduled date and played date are not necessarily the same date. I decided to put this to the test with the 1920 Pirates.

I have an original Cincinnati away schedule from 1920.
They were to play in Pitt
April 29, 30 - April 30 not played
May 1
June 3, 4, 5 - none of these played
July 5 (DH), 6
Oct 1,2 - Oct 1 not played, but a triple header was played on the 2nd

Games played: (http://www.baseball-reference.com/te...e-scores.shtml)
Games played, that are not on schedule are:
DH on Sept 22
23
So with the 2 make up games played in the triple header, 5 games played on dates not listed on original schedule, thus throwing off the game count. Could you imagine sitting through a triple header in Pittsburgh in October. Interestingly, from doing this little research project, this was the last tripleheader ever played (http://research.sabr.org/journals/last-tripleheader).

The only way, I believe, really to verify the game number is to get a 1923 schedule from a Cleveland newspaper (probably the day before Opening Day) from a Cleveland library or something. Not sure if anyone lives in Cleveland and hangs out at the library, but...

[ullmandds]

Interesting stuff guys. I have saved 99.5% of ticket stubs in my lifetime...lots of ballgames and concerts. I recently came into some 50's yankee and giants stubs which include some mantle/mays hr's...fun stuff!

[mcgwirecom]

You know, I am not 100% sure how numbered tickets work. There was some research recently done with old Yankees and Giants tickets that is listed on the PSA website. But these numbered tickets were sold at the window by the team before the game I believe. Tickets like the Johnson 1923 ticket came from a book the owner had. The belief apparently is that if you had the book you took the next ticket stub out each time you went to the park. Making #57 for July 22nd. When I saw it i knew that was the date of his 3000th K. So if I had the chance to send it back for a re-holder I wouldn't have to convince them of the date, they already decided on that. I have seen ticket books that did have the stubs dated also so its hard to say with 100% certainty if PSA is definitely right.

As an aside, July 22nd is not the only date cited as Johnson's 3000th K ! I have seen at least 2 other close dates listed as his 3000th. But the 22nd is the most cited one.