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Old 06-10-2016, 09:35 PM
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Ted: didn't Brock essentially take over for Musial? I think Musial was still playing a lot of left field his last year.

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Brock was already a 4-year established ballplayer (with the Cubs) when he was traded to the Cards. Furthermore, he did not directly step into Musial's "footprints". Musial
played his last game in Sept 1963. Brock was traded to the Cards in the Summer of '64.

Both Mantle and Yaz were 20 year old rookies when they replaced DiMag and Ted W, respectively. And, they directly stepped into the "footprints" of these two great legends.

Think about it, there is significant psychological factor in play here, which is not case in Brock's situation.


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Brock was already a 4-year established ballplayer (with the Cubs) when he was traded to the Cards. Furthermore, he did not directly step into Musial's "footprints". Musial
played his last game in Sept 1963. Brock was traded to the Cards in the Summer of '64.

Both Mantle and Yaz were 20 year old rookies when they replaced DiMag and Ted W, respectively. And, they directly stepped into the "footprints" of these two great legends.

Think about it, there is significant psychological factor in play here, which is not case in Brock's situation.


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Ted, good points. To be precise Mantle did play one season with Joe D. whereas Yaz simply filled Ted's position the following year. But with the Yankees expected to win the pressure on Mantle was probably greater.
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Old 06-11-2016, 09:16 AM
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Ted, good points. To be precise Mantle did play one season with Joe D. whereas Yaz simply filled Ted's position the following year. But with the Yankees expected to win the pressure on Mantle was probably greater.

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I recall the Spring of 1952 quite well, Mickey had a slow start (perhaps as you said...."the pressure"). At the beginning, the fans were booing him when he struck out.

As the season progressed, the boos turned into to cheers. Mantle finished 1952....batting .311 with 23 HR's and 87 RBI's. Some of those HR's travelled near 500 feet.

And, the rest is history.


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I remember as a kid when Bobby Murcer was supposed to take over for Mantle. He had a decent career, but it didn't quite work out that way.
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I recall the Spring of 1952 quite well, Mickey had a slow start (perhaps as you said...."the pressure"). At the beginning, the fans were booing him when he struck out.

As the season progressed, the boos turned into to cheers. Mantle finished 1952....batting .311 with 23 HR's and 87 RBI's. Some of those HR's travelled near 500 feet.

And, the rest is history.


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Mickey is going to have to ask for a big raise if he ever wants to afford one of his rookie cards.
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I recall the Spring of 1952 quite well, Mickey had a slow start (perhaps as you said...."the pressure"). At the beginning, the fans were booing him when he struck out.

As the season progressed, the boos turned into to cheers. Mantle finished 1952....batting .311 with 23 HR's and 87 RBI's. Some of those HR's travelled near 500 feet.

And, the rest is history.


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Ironic, his most sought after card is a 1952 Topps # 311, or was that done intentionally by Topps?

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Old 06-11-2016, 02:32 PM
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Ironic, his most sought after card is a 1952 Topps # 311, or was that done intentionally by Topps?

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The # 311 on this card has always amazed me, too. However, it is only by sheer coincidence.

The card was produced before the 1952 season ended. This I can attest to, since I remember
opening a TOPPS 5-cent wax-pack in Sept 1952 and getting this Mickey Mantle......







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It just seems wrong that his rookie card in pristine condition is worth more than mickey made in his whole career!
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It just seems wrong that his rookie card in pristine condition is worth more than mickey made in his whole career!
Players salaries weren't exorbitant yet. Now they are kind of out of whack, imo.....Maybe they should cap contracts at like 100M or something to keep ticket prices down and make going to a game affordable again?....

Yaz rookies are not that scarce....
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Yeah, except that it would effect ticket prices a bit. The owners know the point at which they can price tickets to maximize profits. All that would happen is that ownership would make more money.
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