Ali near death (Ali has died at 74)

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by bigtrain

An exceptional athlete and an amazing person. Praying for his recovery but should it be his time...may he float like a butterfly.

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

[Republicaninmass]

C'mon


Everyone loves you when your dead

[Touch'EmAll]

Years back, when he lit the Olympic flame - one of the most choked up moments of my life. I remember i couldn't hold back the tears.

[forazzurri2axz]

Originally Posted by 100backstroke

Years back, when he lit the Olympic flame - one of the most choked up moments of my life. I remember i couldn't hold back the tears.

I was there and the roar when he appeared was one of the most amazing moments I have ever experienced. I screamed as loud as I probably ever have and cried at the realization that he was finally vindicated and that so many loved him! Rumble, young man, rumble!!

[khkco4bls]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

Jimmy touche. great boxer but did things I don't agree with either

[George]

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

Whoa. I am not a prolific poster by any means, but I can't imagine the restraint I would have to have to only post four times in 7 years on this board.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Whoa. I am not a prolific poster by any means, but I can't imagine the restraint I would have to have to only post four times in 7 years on this board.

That's okay. Based on his response less is more...a lot more!



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[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

Hmm. Four posts in seven years.

Do us all a favor, George. See if you can't up your average length of time between posts so we don't have to see you scurrying around on the board again any time soon.

[Dewey]

He refused the draft a year before MLK delivered his major speech against Vietnam and then was assassinated the next day. Neither of them were low lifes. Some see refusing to enter foreign wars without just cause an act of moral courage, not cowardice. Any appreciation of historical context makes his decision understandable, whether you agree or not.

Thanks for the memories Ali, but I always favored Sugar Ray Leonard.

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[bcornell]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

[REMOVED] This forum used to be great, but it's awful now. Arbitrary enforcement of rules by the moderator, plus people who don't know anything about vintage cards and don't care posting over & over again.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by bcornell

Virtually every OT thread on this forum is either silly or, like this one, a magnet for stupidity. Thanks, "George".

Leon, the rule should be if you don't put your name to it, you don't get to post at all. No qualifiers.

for 'george':

The statement is appropriate "You can't fix stupid."

- and another one from the same source (Ron White):

"Next time you have an idea, (rather than sharing it)- just let it go."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bcornell

Virtually every OT thread on this forum is either silly or, like this one, a magnet for stupidity. Thanks, "George".

Leon, the rule should be if you don't put your name to it, you don't get to post at all. No qualifiers.

George Altemose gave the unneeded opinion. I will say that this board has not always been friendly to the deceased, aka Where art thou now, Brucii?

And for Ali, RIP Champ...

a very good and succinct report is here.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/muhamma...042902069.html

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[bxb]

RIP

Despite the controversy, a case can be made that he was the greatest athlete in his sport of all time, beyond the wins and losses.

Certainly the most recognizable sports figure world-wide.

[kkkkandp]

Ali was one of the best entertainers inside or outside the ring I've ever seen.

Back in the early 70s my college roommate was visiting and he was catching a ride home in NYC. We went in early and we were just walking around the city when we happened on Ali walking to an engagement. It was amazing. Cabbies were stopping in the street yelling to him. Ali was smiling, talking to everyone. The people parted on the crowded sidewalk like he was Moses walking through the Red Sea. One kid jokingly challenged him to a fight. Ali stopped, dropped his bag, put on that mean "fight face" he did biting his lower lip, and whipped off a flurry of shadow box punches. Everybody laughed including him. My roommate and I both got his autograph. One of the best bits of New York theater I've ever seen.

[Marckus99]

Nighty nite, Cassius.

[icollectDCsports]

Originally Posted by kkkkandp

Ali was one of the best entertainers inside or outside the ring I've ever seen.

Back in the early 70s my college roommate was visiting and he was catching a ride home in NYC. We went in early and we were just walking around the city when we happened on Ali walking to an engagement. It was amazing. Cabbies were stopping in the street yelling to him. Ali was smiling, talking to everyone. The people parted on the crowded sidewalk like he was Moses walking through the Red Sea. One kid jokingly challenged him to a fight. Ali stopped, dropped his bag, put on that mean "fight face" he did biting his lower lip, and whipped off a flurry of shadow box punches. Everybody laughed including him. My roommate and I both got his autograph. One of the best bits of New York theater I've ever seen.

I got the chance to meet him, with a group of others, in what was a complete surprise circumstance a little less than 30 years ago. Quite a thrill. I stayed up late last night and got up early, listening to the discussion about Ali on NY's WFAN (via the Internet). Some great reflections from reporters who covered and knew Ali, but it was striking how many callers detailed their encounters with the man. He was simply great and gracious meeting with normal, regular folks in public. It's amazing to consider how many people he must've touched in this way. RIP

[Michael B]

Originally Posted by George

What a shame........we're running out of low-life draft dodgers.

I've got to jump in on this. Complete ignorance here. He did not dodge the draft. He refused to be inducted due to his religious convictions. He was arrested and convicted of violating the Selective Service Laws. He appealed and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed by an 8-0 vote (Thurgood Marshall recused himself). That is called courage of your convictions. He was willing to stay in this country and face the consequences of his actions unlike the cowards who hid in Canada. You should educate yourself before you brush your teeth with gunpowder and start shooting off your mouth.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

Jimmy, Muslims are monotheists. You might want to add that to your lists of things to look into.

[FirstYearCards]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

I'm assuming the way you say "God or his god" implies his is a false "God". Being an atheist, I'm more impressed that he chose his religion as opposed to being given one by his place of birth and/or upbringing.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Ali never advocated racial violence as far as I know. I am not sure what point is being made.

[xplainer]

I knew it would not be popular, but I have never held Ali very high. Again, I don't wish his death or anything, I just think people should know his connections and unreported activity, before they say what a hero he is.

He has a very checkered past. Look into it.

I'll let this thread ride. Just exposing another side of his life story.

PM if you want to further the discussion.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by xplainer

I knew it would not be popular, but I have never held Ali very high. Again, I don't wish his death or anything, I just think people should know his connections and unreported activity, before they say what a hero he is.

He has a very checkered past. Look into it.

I'll let this thread ride. Just exposing another side of his life story.

PM if you want to further the discussion.

Too bad he wasnt more like Pete Rose, Joe Paterno, Ray Carruth or OJ

[drmondobueno]

How can you forget the battles with Joe Frazier? What a pair of warriors those two were.

[timn1]

Originally Posted by ksabet

Too bad he wasnt more like Pete Rose, Joe Paterno, Ray Carruth or OJ

I never revered Ali as an athlete because boxing leaves me cold, but he was one of the most important figures of the Civil Rights movement, no question. And that's enough to make Ali d*mned important.

(Or maybe some of you guys still think we should be back in the 1950s where race relations are concerned... )

[Exhibitman]

Peter, whatever point it is, it is not consistent with the Judeo-Christian ethical system. Or did I miss the part about where it is good to say nasty things about people who are ill?

Ali has brought a lot of joy to a lot of people all around the world. I wish him well.

[BBSD]

Off the rails real quick.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Who are you praying to? God or his god.

Sorry, Ali (Cassius Clay), Malcomn X, and such, does not sit well with me. If you look more into his life, he is not the American hero everyone embraces.

I don't wish his death, but, I am prepared on how the media protrays his life.

But, to each his own.

-Jimmy Knowles

That's 'portrays' genius. If you have to be ugly, try to be smarter about it.

[Kenny Cole]

Well, all I guess I will say is that most people, whether religious or not, have enough grace not to say shitty things about someone who may be dying and who, regardless of opinion, probably did as much to shape this nation as did any other athlete in the last 40 years. You can love it or hate it, but its true.

IMO, it is very sad that some people can't get past their own personal prejudices, particularly at a time like this. That's not a shame on him, that's a shame on you.

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

Well, all I guess I will say is that most people, whether religious or not, have enough grace not to say shitty things about someone who may be dying and who, regardless of opinion, probably did as much to shape this nation as did any other athlete in the last 40 years. You can love it or hate it, but its true.

IMO, it is very sad that some people can't get past their own personal prejudices, particularly at a time like this. That's not a shame on him, that's a shame on you.

+1

[the 'stache]

I just saw on ESPN that Ali died.

RIP, Champ.

[Orioles1954]

R.I.P to "The Greatest!"

[Dewey]

Weird to be told by Vin Scully. But it is a message best delivered by such a gracious man. RIP.

[the 'stache]

The Grim Reaper can take a break for a while, as far as I'm concerned. David Bowie, Glenn Frey, Garry Shandling, Prince, George Martin, Alan Rickman, and now Muhammad Ali.

This year really sucks, so far.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by Dewey

Weird to be told by Vin Scully. But it is a message best delivered by such a gracious man. RIP.

Every time I watch a Dodgers broadcast, I have this pit in my stomach like it's the last time I'm ever going to hear his voice.