Need advice ASAP on PSA ticket grading

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by megalimey

Hi my name is David
I am an actual PSA consultant when it pertains to Regular Season Yankee Tickets , in my opinion you should 10000% get this slabbed by PSA and no other company please

Gee... A guy who works for PSA grading tickets says it's an absolute must that this ticket be graded, and graded by nobody but PSA.

I'm shocked.

(My name is David, too.)

[Shoeless Moe]

This one graded by SGC did pretty good ($14,340.00), so curious to see the 150 that did better than it.

http://sports.ha.com/itm/basketball/...ription-071515

and this ungraded by anyone didn't do too bad $11,352,.50

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/19...ription-071515

but again curious to see the 150 that beat these guys.

[Lordstan]

David(Megalimey).

I see you seem to think that there is a lot of value in grading. It's not surprising that you do, considering you work for the company that provides the service and would probably be out of a job if nobody used the service.

Your example about all those high end tickets is pretty misleading as most of the major auction houses will automatically send high end tickets, cards, and autos to be slabbed and graded. If all the major auction houses send tickets in for grading and all the high end tickets get sold through the biggest auction houses, it stands to reason that most of the tickets with the highest realized prices will be slabbed. Unfortunately, for you, that doesn't prove that the slab actually impacted the price. This specific ticket proves this point exactly. This 32 WS ticket was auctioned, without a slab/cert, not in a major auction house, and still sold for more than any comparable ticket I could find in any condition. If slabbing is so important, I am curious as to how you would then explain this? Why didn't the others that were slabbed sell for so much more?

Taylor,
You can find plenty of ticket specific screw downs that will protect it just fine without having to give a TPA $50-100 to tell you that a ticket you know to be real is real. I am just flabbergasted at how people have been brainwashed to think that slabbing somehow universally makes things better or more valuable.
Mark

[megalimey]

THE LAY MAN /SLASH RICH COLLECTOR of tickets
likes to display there items being slabbed allows that, unlike the OLD school collector who stuffs them away in a box loosy goose , eventually dying and leaving no clue as to their value , family member sell them for pennies on the dollar , as they look like nothing special in an old scrapbook or in a cigar box
Slabbing tickets just like slabbing a Mantle rookie card is for the time it eventually gets sold long or soon after your dead , its about preserving the condition , would you by a 1851 Gold coin for more money Raw unslabbed
or a PCGS graded coin I know where I would spend my money
I agree there are very few fake tickets if any , but the new to the Hobby does not know that , and this are where the hobby is heading Up scale man caves
who have deep pockets
so can you just except this is where the high end part of the hobby is heading
there are a sprinkling of raw tickets sold for thousands verses 10s of thousands
sold for $1000s so obviously you non believers are in the very small minority

[smotan_02]

Originally Posted by megalimey

THE LAY MAN /SLASH RICH COLLECTOR of tickets
likes to display there items being slabbed allows that, unlike the OLD school collector who stuffs them away in a box loosy goose , eventually dying and leaving no clue as to their value , family member sell them for pennies on the dollar , as they look like nothing special in an old scrapbook or in a cigar box
Slabbing tickets just like slabbing a Mantle rookie card is for the time it eventually gets sold long or soon after your dead , its about preserving the condition , would you by a 1851 Gold coin for more money Raw unslabbed
or a PCGS graded coin I know where I would spend my money
I agree there are very few fake tickets if any , but the new to the Hobby does not know that , and this are where the hobby is heading Up scale man caves
who have deep pockets
so can you just except this is where the high end part of the hobby is heading
there are a sprinkling of raw tickets sold for thousands verses 10s of thousands
sold for $1000s so obviously you non believers are in the very small minority

I feel like I just witnessed something spectacular

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by megalimey

THE LAY MAN /SLASH RICH COLLECTOR of tickets
likes to display there items being slabbed allows that, unlike the OLD school collector who stuffs them away in a box loosy goose , eventually dying and leaving no clue as to their value , family member sell them for pennies on the dollar , as they look like nothing special in an old scrapbook or in a cigar box
Slabbing tickets just like slabbing a Mantle rookie card is for the time it eventually gets sold long or soon after your dead , its about preserving the condition , would you by a 1851 Gold coin for more money Raw unslabbed
or a PCGS graded coin I know where I would spend my money
I agree there are very few fake tickets if any , but the new to the Hobby does not know that , and this are where the hobby is heading Up scale man caves
who have deep pockets
so can you just except this is where the high end part of the hobby is heading
there are a sprinkling of raw tickets sold for thousands verses 10s of thousands
sold for $1000s so obviously you non believers are in the very small minority

If I had a dollar for every grammatical and logical error in this post I could afford to get all my tickets slabbed.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

If I had a dollar for every grammatical and logical error in this post I could afford to get all my tickets slabbed.

[Lordstan]

I think we have winner for the award for the least sensical and most grammatically incorrect post ever.

This type of post certainly helps to explain all the mistakes PSA makes. If they hire people who can't do something as basic as write the English language correctly, what should we really expect from them in the terms of quality?

I always love it when people keep regurgitating the fantasy that because you don't slab stuff that somehow it will sell for pennies on the dollar. I realize it is incomprehensible to some that an "old" school collector could actually speak to their family before they died about their collection or, God forbid, could have even taken a few minutes to write out some instructions for selling the stuff after they are gone...Nah. What I am thinking? Of course, us old school collectors don't have or don't speak with our families.

Also I was just wondering, does slabbing come with some sort of guarantee that an unscrupulous dealer won't try to rip off my family who tries to sell slabbed items?

Perhaps, those who constantly regale in stories of the sale power of slabbing should just look at the example of this very auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-Chicago...kAAOSwbPxXQbRT
They might want to read the description.
Parting with the ticket shown, as shown. The ticket was obtained from the area estate of an avid collector and game attendee who had saved items from the early 1900's forward. Ungraded.

OMG!!! It came out of an estate with no slabbing! Gee, I wonder how it is possible that it sold for $2850 when a board member's comparable slabbed version sold for $400 less, just 2mo earlier.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-World-S...sAAOSwyjBW5gT2

I wonder if the people from the Black Rock find feel like they sold their items for pennies on the dollar? Hmm. They were stored in a old shoebox. It's too bad their condition wasn't preserved. They might have made so much more money if they had been slabbed 20yrs ago. It would've been a great investment.

Originally Posted by megalimey

THE LAY MAN /SLASH RICH COLLECTOR of tickets
likes to display there items being slabbed allows that, unlike the OLD school collector who stuffs them away in a box loosy goose , eventually dying and leaving no clue as to their value , family member sell them for pennies on the dollar , as they look like nothing special in an old scrapbook or in a cigar box
Slabbing tickets just like slabbing a Mantle rookie card is for the time it eventually gets sold long or soon after your dead , its about preserving the condition , would you by a 1851 Gold coin for more money Raw unslabbed
or a PCGS graded coin I know where I would spend my money
I agree there are very few fake tickets if any , but the new to the Hobby does not know that , and this are where the hobby is heading Up scale man caves
who have deep pockets
so can you just except this is where the high end part of the hobby is heading
there are a sprinkling of raw tickets sold for thousands verses 10s of thousands
sold for $1000s so obviously you non believers are in the very small minority

[mcgwirecom]

Which would you prefer? (The display not the actual tickets) I don't think the PSA slab adds anything to display value. Just my opinion.

[Lordstan]

Agreed Randall.

[mcgwirecom]

OK, I love this one. The first picture is of a raw, ungraded Mickey Mantle debut ticket I sold on Ebay more than 10 years ago. I managed to get a tad over $4000 for it. The second photo is of LeLands auction for the SAME ticket in 2014. Not so much...

[ajenks3378]

Originally Posted by mcgwirecom

Which would you prefer? (The display not the actual tickets) I don't think the PSA slab adds anything to display value. Just my opinion.

The reason the psa one is very weak is the use of season passes and not actual stubs from the games...
True collector needs a stub from the game not just the season pass...
Andy

[Exhibitman]

Again, not to defend the TPGs but I was very pleased with the care that PSA took in handling this ticket. The ticket was delicate and very tough to find (I've only seen two of them) and they did a good job for their fee. I felt it was a good value and I am very pleased with the result, especially since I can stop worrying about damaging the ticket with my klutz kung fu:

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

I think we have winner for the award for the least sensical and most grammatically incorrect post ever.

This type of post certainly helps to explain all the mistakes PSA makes. If they hire people who can't do something as basic as write the English language correctly, what should we really expect from them in the terms of quality?

I always love it when people keep regurgitating the fantasy that because you don't slab stuff that somehow it will sell for pennies on the dollar. I realize it is incomprehensible to some that an "old" school collector could actually speak to their family before they died about their collection or, God forbid, could have even taken a few minutes to write out some instructions for selling the stuff after they are gone...Nah. What I am thinking? Of course, us old school collectors don't have or don't speak with our families.

Also I was just wondering, does slabbing come with some sort of guarantee that an unscrupulous dealer won't try to rip off my family who tries to sell slabbed items?

Perhaps, those who constantly regale in stories of the sale power of slabbing should just look at the example of this very auction.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-Chicago...kAAOSwbPxXQbRT
They might want to read the description.
Parting with the ticket shown, as shown. The ticket was obtained from the area estate of an avid collector and game attendee who had saved items from the early 1900's forward. Ungraded.

OMG!!! It came out of an estate with no slabbing! Gee, I wonder how it is possible that it sold for $2850 when a board member's comparable slabbed version sold for $400 less, just 2mo earlier.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-World-S...sAAOSwyjBW5gT2

I wonder if the people from the Black Rock find feel like they sold their items for pennies on the dollar? Hmm. They were stored in a old shoebox. It's too bad their condition wasn't preserved. They might have made so much more money if they had been slabbed 20yrs ago. It would've been a great investment.

+++

[megalimey]

check out heritage Auction ticket archives last 12 months
top highest 1-38 results
highest price $67,000 - $6,000 PSA slabbed top 32 out 38
were PSA 2 SGC
sure for one RAW ticket that sells for over 10 grand there are two that sell for that Slabbed

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by megalimey

check out heritage Auction ticket archives last 12 months
top highest 1-38 results
highest price $67,000 - $6,000 PSA slabbed top 32 out 38
were PSA 2 SGC
sure for one RAW ticket that sells for over 10 grand there are two that sell for that Slabbed

You don't pay attention, do you, David?
These tickets were slabbed because Heritage required it.
In general, the highest prices for memorabilia are garnered by the big auction houses.
The big auction houses have the tickets they offer slabbed.
Ergo, slabbed tickets bring the highest prices.

But--and it is a very large but--here is NO DATA which implies that unslabbed tickets would not do just as well at these auctions.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You don't pay attention, do you, David?
These tickets were slabbed because Heritage required it.
In general, the highest prices for memorabilia are garnered by the big auction houses.
The big auction houses have the tickets they offer slabbed.
Ergo, slabbed tickets bring the highest prices.

But--and it is a very large but--here is NO DATA which implies that unslabbed tickets would not do just as well at these auctions.

+1 Loosey goose vote

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by megalimey

check out heritage Auction ticket archives last 12 months
top highest 1-38 results
highest price $67,000 - $6,000 PSA slabbed top 32 out 38
were PSA 2 SGC
sure for one RAW ticket that sells for over 10 grand there are two that sell for that Slabbed

Simple question - How many of the 32 PSA slabs were paid for by Heritage?

[BradH]

Originally Posted by megalimey

...in my opinion you should 10000% get this slabbed by PSA and no other company...

I don’t generally take any advice that is given with only 10,000 % certainty. My closest friends and advisors never give me anything less than 14,000-15,000 % probability, and sometimes my wife will even go as high as 20,000 % on her advice.

Originally Posted by megalimey

...I give it a 999.9 % of being real...

Until today, I didn't know someone could be more than one hundred percent confident of something being authentic. With that said, nine hundred ninety-nine point nine percent seems pretty amazing, so I'll take your word for it...anything that is 10 times higher than the previously-known maximum is good enough for me.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by BradH

I don’t generally take any advice that is given with only 10,000 % certainty. My closest friends and advisors never give me anything less than 14,000-15,000 % probability, and sometimes my wife will even go as high as 20,000 % on her advice.




Until today, I didn't know someone could be more than one hundred percent confident of something being authentic. With that said, nine hundred ninety-nine point nine percent seems pretty amazing, so I'll take your word for it...anything that is 10 times higher than the previously-known maximum is good enough for me.

When corporate shills post here they tend to hyperbole just a tiny little bit.

[keithsky]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Gee... A guy who works for PSA grading tickets says it's an absolute must that this ticket be graded, and graded by nobody but PSA.

I'm shocked.

(My name is David, too.)

I agree with you Dave. The guy works for PSA and is probably on the payroll by them and surprisingly he says you should get tickets graded and slabbed. Now that's funny

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by keithsky

I agree with you Dave. The guy works for PSA and is probably on the payroll by them and surprisingly he says you should get tickets graded and slabbed. Now that's funny

Bad enough they advertise a lot,, do they need a shill on Net54?

[mcgwirecom]

Heres the deal, I sell tickets all the time in big auction houses. I send them in for the auction and they insist on having them PSA graded. So almost all the stubs that go into big auctions get graded by PSA. Not my choice, theirs. So thats why all the top selling stubs are all PSA graded, the auction houses insist on it. I think its so it takes all the responsibilty off of them. After its slabbed and graded they put it in the catalog with PSA's description. Psa said it's real, PSA said it NMT, etc.

[prestigecollectibles]

FWIW, this ticket authenticated by PSA experts is upside down.

[frankbmd]

I am not a ticket guy, but I have one



I keep it in a screw down along with receipts from both the Larsen and Berra autographs, that I obtained after purchasing the ticket. I do not have a receipt from PSA, nor do I plan to get one.

Are there any skeptics about authenticity?

[Exhibitman]

Heaven knows I've been rough as hell on PSA over the years but I found there was indeed value added in ticket slabbing. I picked up a semi-tough Muhammad Ali ticket at a show, raw, had PSA encapsulate it, and was able to sell it for a lot more than I paid. I don't think it would have sold as well had it remained raw.

I also had a very difficult but delicate basketball ticket encapsulated for protection, so there's that aspect to consider too. If something is very small, delicate or oversized, I tend to get them into some kind of slab just for my (mis)handling peace of mind.

That said, I'd wait for a special to get it done.