T206 R B SHEINER Wagner

[Sean]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Is this a joke, or do you actually believe these cards are real? If the latter is true, why waste time trying to convince a forum? If I believed I found the two most valuable cards in the hobby in a raw state, my first call would be to PSA to set up an appointment for their walk through service. My second would be to book a flight to southern California, assuming you don't already live here.

Jesse, good point. Exactly what is the endgame? Is it
1- You genuinely believe the cards are real? If so, have them graded. They'll be worth at least half a million dollars.

2- You want our opinion of the cards? If so, stop arguing with us. We've given you our opinion: they're fakes.

3- You came here to sell them? In that case, list them on the BST board. And please, include a price. I hate to be the one to begin the negotiations.

[shammus]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Yeah, these are bad fakes. Hope you didn't pay much for them, and also hope you didn't use google to find a card forum to try and rip someone off. Nothing personal but this is what I think every time someone joins the forum just to show off some reprints. Ironically this is the worst place on the internet to try and sell a fake tobacco card.

I'd agree with this. And this particular poster is turning a blind eye to everything he's being told, is ignoring all evidence and still insists his cards are real. That's a very scammer-like quality in my opinion. Honestly, not only are they fakes, they're obvious and poorly done fakes at that. Nobody here is going to be fooled by these.

[IMAXMAX]

Charlie Faust the 4th?

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by IMAXMAX

Charlie Faust the 4th?

?

[Yoda]

I think he approached the wrong forum for whatever silly game he is plotting, probably listing these cards on Ebay showing some kind of endorsement from us that they are authentic. Right. What a loser. Note that he joined us, gosh, this month.

[pherbener]

This has got to be a joke! Right??

[coolshemp]

I actually have another card with the same back stamp. I posted about it a while ago to see if others were out there. It was authenticated and slab bed by SGC.

[nat]

Was the back stamp on yours under or over the paper loss?


If I had to guess whether the OP is a scammer or frightened because they paid big bucks for fake cards, my guess would be neither. My guess would be that s/he is a troll, just looking to start something here.

Which, well, worked.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Sean

Jesse, good point. Exactly what is the endgame? Is it
1- You genuinely believe the cards are real? If so, have them graded. They'll be worth at least half a million dollars.

2- You want our opinion of the cards? If so, stop arguing with us. We've given you our opinion: they're fakes.

3- You came here to sell them? In that case, list them on the BST board. And please, include a price. I hate to be the one to begin the negotiations.

I guess I left out a third option. He knows they're fakes and was hoping he would fool this site. Kind of like printing fake $100 bills and taking them straight to the secret service. If they'll pass here they should fool anyone.

[Joshwesley]

Ya'll are being trolled.

[Jobu]

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[coolshemp]

Originally Posted by nat

Was the back stamp on yours under or over the paper loss?


If I had to guess whether the OP is a scammer or frightened because they paid big bucks for fake cards, my guess would be neither. My guess would be that s/he is a troll, just looking to start something here.

Which, well, worked.

I will scan the back of my Mullin T206 with the same stamp tonight.

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I think he approached the wrong forum for whatever silly game he is plotting, probably listing these cards on Ebay showing some kind of endorsement from us that they are authentic. Right. What a loser. Note that he joined us, gosh, this month.

I was just doing some research and someone on the site wanted to see a post about them???

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

Ya'll are being trolled.

+1

[Leon]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

+1

No, actually not a troll. I just spoke with him (David). This was a small gamble (fortunately) that didn't (and won't) pay off.

[Bigb13]

Originally Posted by Sean

.....or a Cobb/Lenox.

Must you continue being a jerk?

[Vintageismygame]

So instead of the Cobb/Edwards Wagner is this the Cobb/Anda Wagner?

Matt

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Leon

No, actually not a troll. I just spoke with him (David). This was a small gamble (fortunately) that didn't (and won't) pay off.

Assuming what he told you is true the OPs comments are still strange to say the least. He seemed much more interested in trying to convince us they were real than seeking opinions. I think that's why most assumed this was a scam or just a joke.

[ksfarmboy]

Originally Posted by Leon

And thank God the grammar and spelling police aren't around!!

Speaking of which, where and how is Barry Sloate? Haven't heard anything in awhile. Miss his posting.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Bigb13

some are very questionable?

Robert, you opened the door with this comment.

[Den*nis O*Brien]

Originally Posted by ksfarmboy

Speaking of which, where and how is Barry Sloate? Haven't heard anything in awhile. Miss his posting.

I just saw a post by him...it could have been this thread. He certainly has been missed. He is a wealth of knowledge and his auction and set sale catalogs were always a welcomed find in the mailbox !!

[shammus]

Barry's auctions are certainly missed....would love to participate in another one of his phone auctions

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Den*nis O*Brien

I just saw a post by him...it could have been this thread. He certainly has been missed. He is a wealth of knowledge and his auction and set sale catalogs were always a welcomed find in the mailbox !!

Barry has not posted to Net54 since July 10th of last year.

[coolshemp]

This is my Mullin card with same stamp. Looks like the stamp was placed after it was unglued, as well. Huh.

[slidekellyslide]

Quite clearly they stole a scan of the back of your card to make the fake Wagner. The glue stain is exact as is the stamp placement.

[coolshemp]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Quite clearly they stole a scan of the back of your card to make the fake Wagner. The glue stain is exact as is the stamp placement.

However, I have never shown the stamp in public before. I wrote about it before to find othesr with the same stamp, but never uploaded a pic.

[clydepepper]

I'm certainly no expert on the authenticity of tobacco cards.

However, the T206 online database has scans of most of the Wagners that have come up for sale in the last twenty of so years and I did not see that background color on any of them.

As far as the Cobb is concerned, someone had earlier pointed out that the exact wrinkles were on another Cobb...and the Ty Cobb Tobacco back is the rarest of all Cobb backs.

What are the odds of someone inquiring about two of the most sought-after cards ever and acting as if they don't know it.

well LOL to you, sir ....now, Move along...nothing to see here...

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[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

However, I have never shown the stamp in public before. I wrote about it before to find othesr with the same stamp, but never uploaded a pic.

How long have you owned the card? Where did you obtain it? It's clearly obvious that the back is exactly the same as yours.

[coolshemp]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

How long have you owned the card? Where did you obtain it? It's clearly obvious that the back is exactly the same as yours.

I got it off if eBay around 1999. Sent it in to SGC in 2004.

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

I got it off if eBay around 1999. Sent it in to SGC in 2004.

Someone must have made the repro before you got it if you've never posted it to the internet.

[coolshemp]

I just can't imagine why that would be the case. Doesn't seem likely that a scam was being planned in 1999 to come to fruition in 2016. Maybe he should send it in to SGC or PSA. Stranger things have happened. Both Shreiner stamps are Detroit players. When did they first start making reproductions of the Wagner? Maybe he had his repro stamped as well.

[drmondobueno]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

It puts the lotion on the cards.

Lmao!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

I just can't imagine why that would be the case. Doesn't seem likely that a scam was being planned in 1999 to come to fruition in 2016. Maybe he should send it in to SGC or PSA. Stranger things have happened. Both Shreiner stamps are Detroit players. When did they first start making reproductions of the Wagner? Maybe he had his repro stamped as well.

I had a repro Wagner card all the way back in the 1980s. They've been making them even longer than that. That Wagner card has the EXACT same glue stain and name stamp in the EXACT location as your card. It is a 100% certainty that the back was taken from your card.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

I had a repro Wagner card all the way back in the 1980s. They've been making them even longer than that. That Wagner card has the EXACT same glue stain and name stamp in the EXACT location as your card. It is a 100% certainty that the back was taken from your card.

I agree. I don't know how it was done, but it can't be a coincidence.

[Vintagecatcher]

Your user name is close....shouldn't it be "Aware of a Lie" instead of just lieaware?

Patrick

[coolshemp]

Originally Posted by Sean

I agree. I don't know how it was done, but it can't be a coincidence.

I am actually a bit freaked out!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

However, I have never shown the stamp in public before. I wrote about it before to find othesr with the same stamp, but never uploaded a pic.

It is quite possible that someone saved the scan from 17+ years ago and used it for a modern day reprint. I save scans of cards that I find unique, even though they aren't my cards.

[lieaware]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

I just can't imagine why that would be the case. Doesn't seem likely that a scam was being planned in 1999 to come to fruition in 2016. Maybe he should send it in to SGC or PSA. Stranger things have happened. Both Shreiner stamps are Detroit players. When did they first start making reproductions of the Wagner? Maybe he had his repro stamped as well.

just shows me another example of a graded..... fake.................the Ty Cobb Lol

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by lieaware

just shows me another example of a graded..... fake.................the Ty Cobb Lol

shocking...it's back!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by lieaware

just shows me another example of a graded..... fake.................the Ty Cobb Lol

What do you mean another graded fake Cobb?

The cards we showed were graded real Cobbs. The fake is the one that you posted, and that one isn't graded.

[shammus]

Originally Posted by Sean

What do you mean another graded fake Cobb?

The cards we showed were graded real Cobbs. The fake is the one that you posted, and that one isn't graded.

Where's the "facepalm" emoticon when you really need it? *sigh*

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean

What do you mean another graded fake Cobb?

The cards we showed were graded real Cobbs. The fake is the one that you posted, and that one isn't graded.

So what are you trying to say?

[coolshemp]

I feel dirty that the back of my card has been used in such a sordid affair. I need a shower.

[unamuzd1]

Originally Posted by coolshemp

I feel dirty that the back of my card has been used in such a sordid affair. I need a shower.

I'd think a thorough soaking should suffice.

/rimshot

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by shammus

Where's the "facepalm" emoticon when you really need it? *sigh*

Here you go

[Tripredacus]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

That Wagner card has the EXACT same glue stain and name stamp in the EXACT location as your card. It is a 100% certainty that the back was taken from your card.

In addition, the 3 creases in the top left of the back are the same.

Real original in grader in background, Wagner of this thread in foreground beneath (there is some transparency on the Wagner scan, ignore it, I forgot to change it back before saving the image)

[Rookiemonster]

Still new here but check this out. When I first joined I thought you guys were rough on people. ( maybe to much or to hard)
But after being here for a little bit. I see why,it's like people seek out this site to troll/be morons.

Lol so when so one shows up to town with acting a fool. Everyone runs and gets
The pitch forks and racks.

I got to say I got a good chuckle reading along to this one.

[Pilot172000]

Originally Posted by Rookiemonster

Still new here but check this out. When I first joined I thought you guys were rough on people. ( maybe to much or to hard)
But after being here for a little bit. I see why,it's like people seek out this site to troll/be morons.

Lol so when so one shows up to town with acting a fool. Everyone runs and gets
The pitch forks and racks.

I got to say I got a good chuckle reading along to this one.

Same here.

[Joshchisox08]

Whatever happened here? The dude submit for grading?

[Sean]

I think that he realized that he wasn't going to get rich off these cards.

Or maybe you can find them on Craigslist.