scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[iwantitiwinit]

How is PSA complicit in this at all, I don't see it. As previously stated the scam is simple:

1) Obtain a real psa 9 from the market place;

2) Crack open the holder and replace the true psa 9 card with a trimmed/altered card of the same subject that appears to be of high quality after the alteration (the flip is a true flip and will match the registry);

3) Sell the bogus card in the cracked holder with real flip and re-coup original money shelled out to buy the original valid card in 1) above;

4) Take the true psa 9 that you still have and resubmit to psa most likely garnering another psa 9 grade and repeat from step 2) above (all funds received from here on out are profits to the scammer);

5) Repeat over and over again.

Seems pretty simple and clear. Am I missing something? How is PSA complicit, heck even if PSA somehow noticed that someone was resubmitting the same card over and over it could be assumed that they were trying to obtain a higher grade.

I can think of only one solution, PSA has to start putting some type of marking on the card visible only under ultraviolet light. Any card they receive for grading with that marking has to ALSO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE ORIGINAL CASE AND FLIP IN ORDER TO BE REGRADED. What do you think of that solution?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

How is PSA complicit in this at all, I don't see it. As previously stated the scam is simple:

1) Obtain a real psa 9 from the market place;

2) Crack open the holder and replace the true psa 9 card with a trimmed/altered card of the same subject that appears to be of high quality after the alteration (the flip is a true flip and will match the registry);

3) Sell the bogus card in the cracked holder with real flip and re-coup original money shelled out to buy the original valid card in 1) above;

4) Take the true psa 9 that you still have and resubmit to psa most likely garnering another psa 9 grade and repeat from step 2) above (all funds received from here on out are profits to the scammer);

5) Repeat over and over again.

Seems pretty simple and clear. Am I missing something? How is PSA complicit, heck even if PSA somehow noticed that someone was resubmitting the same card over and over it could be assumed that they were trying to obtain a higher grade.

I can think of only one solution, PSA has to start putting some type of marking on the card visible only under ultraviolet light. Any card they receive for grading with that marking has to ALSO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE ORIGINAL CASE AND FLIP IN ORDER TO BE REGRADED. What do you think of that solution?

Invisible or not I cannot imagine people are ready for PSA to be putting a marking on their cards.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

How is PSA complicit in this at all, I don't see it. As previously stated the scam is simple:

1) Obtain a real psa 9 from the market place;

2) Crack open the holder and replace the true psa 9 card with a trimmed/altered card of the same subject that appears to be of high quality after the alteration (the flip is a true flip and will match the registry);

3) Sell the bogus card in the cracked holder with real flip and re-coup original money shelled out to buy the original valid card in 1) above;

4) Take the true psa 9 that you still have and resubmit to psa most likely garnering another psa 9 grade and repeat from step 2) above (all funds received from here on out are profits to the scammer);

5) Repeat over and over again.

Seems pretty simple and clear. Am I missing something? How is PSA complicit, heck even if PSA somehow noticed that someone was resubmitting the same card over and over it could be assumed that they were trying to obtain a higher grade.

I can think of only one solution, PSA has to start putting some type of marking on the card visible only under ultraviolet light. Any card they receive for grading with that marking has to ALSO BE SUBMITTED WITH THE ORIGINAL CASE AND FLIP IN ORDER TO BE REGRADED. What do you think of that solution?

Nice theory, but you're forgetting a few minor little details.

The slabs show no evidence of tampering (no frosting).
The flips show no sign of being cracked out (it's hard to crack out a card and not scratch and/or wrinkle the flip).
The same serial number on the flips are being used over and over on multiple cards (the flips are being mass produced).

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

I can think of only one solution, PSA has to start putting some type of marking on the card visible only under ultraviolet light.

some think that was already started about 18 months ago w/ the higher valued cards....

but again and as ya mentioned previously....who's to say they are not cracking out going for the higher?



edit: i believe the term is called laser marking / stamping

[ezez420]

Feel free to email me for mayo's email and tell him what a scumbag he is. I have it as he contacted me a year or two ago asking for his fake card back.

[Peter_Spaeth]

NM

[ezez420]

He is an old greedy guy in the slums of denver

[scotgreb]

IMO PSA could do a lot more to reduce the opportunities for scammers.

For example, at higher service levels, simply add scans of the card to the cert verification.

They could either eat the cost (unlikely) -- charge another $1, or so per slab -- or make the cert images a subscription service.

I expect this might complicate the processing of re-subs, re-holder, etc. but shouldn't be too burdensome.

Scott

[begsu1013]

or scan every card and charge a $10 fee/month to pull up actual scans....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

or scan every card and charge a $10 fee/month to pull up actual scans....

With so many cards already graded (24 years worth) not sure it isn't too late for that.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

some think that was already started about 18 months ago w/ the higher valued cards....

but again and as ya mentioned previously....who's to say they are not cracking out going for the higher?



edit: i believe the term is called laser marking / stamping

Hard for me to believe they are doing that without disclosure.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Hard for me to believe they are doing that without disclosure.

i would tend to agree as well.

of course, fine print isn't my expertise either...

[Bpm0014]

In the Jordan rookie card picture above in post #252, it looks like it is in a cheap one cent plastic holder that is placed directly above (and center) of the PSA case. Meaning it is not in the PSA case, but rather a cheap plastic case resting on top of the PSA case. What is the reason for this?

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

In the Jordan rookie card picture above in post #252, it looks like it is in a cheap one cent plastic holder that is placed directly above (and center) of the PSA case. Meaning it is not in the PSA case, but rather a cheap plastic case resting on top of the PSA case. What is the reason for this?

He mentioned in his first post that he had popped the Jordan case open by using his thumbnail along the edge.

[Bpm0014]

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