scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[begsu1013]

and this is why this thread was started...

(just wish folks would do their due diligence prior to major purchases vs. after)

[irv]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

and this is why this thread was started...

(just wish folks would do their due diligence prior to major purchases vs. after)

Like Jon and you, how would one really know until it is too late?

I mean the flip looks good, the number crosses, etc, etc.

How many more are out there that current owners don't realize are fake?

So, to verify if I am correct, these are real cards but are not in the class/grade the flip classifies them as?

Scammer gets real slabs but puts altered/trimmed, virtually worthless cards in them and fools people thinking they're the real deal?

How would one know if these were on E-Bay or an A/H without being able to put it in their hand, and even then, like Jon, unless you had one to compare it with, with you, you would, in most cases, assume it is real.

[bobbyw8469]

Another frustrating part of the situation was trying to get any info out of PSA security about what was going on, I was basically told the cards were fine and legit maybe Rick changed his mind for some other reason. (Yeah, right Rick is here to consign things and isn't likely to turn away money for no reason.) But if I wanted to send them in for a second opinion I could. Being 2015 at the time I took to asking Joe Orlando for help on Twitter. He blocked me 45 minutes later.

Why would Joe Orlando block you? His catch phrase is "Never Get Cheated". Seems like he would want to help someone that got cheated.

[TheEvilDoc]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Why would Joe Orlando block you? His catch phrase is "Never Get Cheated". Seems like he would want to help someone that got cheated.

JON SCANLON JON SCANLON JON SCANLON

Joe Orlando can shove that catch phrase up his ass. I know he knew of a problem before I contacted PSA because the cop (Detective Palombi) told me HE had spoken with Mr. Orlando. Then I reached out for help and was blocked.

JON SCANLON JON SCANLON JON SCANLON

[Beastmode]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Why would Joe Orlando block you? His catch phrase is "Never Get Cheated". Seems like he would want to help someone that got cheated.

And yet, Joe Orlando and company are authenticating all those "grandpa's attic" finds that appear every other year. I still have faith in PSA, but as a card community, we shouldn't have blind faith in their authentication process.

And the way they moderate their forum, gives me pause about what else they sweep under the rug.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by irv

Like Jon, how would one really know until it is too late?

fixed it for you, irv.

i did not get scammed.


how you know is by googling the name you are about to give thousands of dollars to prior to giving it to them.

(he said he found this thread by googling the guy's name AFTER it was too late)



you use amex via paypal so you are protected and there is a paper trail.



cards of a certain caliber you send in to get reviewed or reholdered to verify your cards are real.

(does it suck, sure. but in comparison what is another $85 on top of a couple grand you are forking out?)



use the registry, even if not competing, so you know if a duplicate cert has been created.*


don't meet people off of craigslist.


use reputable dealers.



* that's your cue, jake! ; )

[irv]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

fixed it for you, irv.

i did not get scammed.


how you know is by googling the name you are about to give thousands of dollars to prior to giving it to them.

(he said he found this thread by googling the guy's name AFTER it was too late)



you use amex via paypal so you are protected and there is a paper trail.



cards of a certain caliber you send in to get reviewed or reholdered to verify your cards are real.

(does it suck, sure. but in comparison what is another $85 on top of a couple grand you are forking out?)



use the registry, even if not competing, so you know if a duplicate cert has been created.


don't meet people off of craigslist.


use reputable dealers.

Sorry, Bob, I thought you did as well and that was the reason you started this thread? Just re-read it, my apologies.

Good points.

[begsu1013]

no worries, irv!

[vintagetoppsguy]

FWIW, the Jordan looks real to me, just trimmed. I would have to see the back to be sure. The Jackson is definitely trimmed. They probably buy raw (or maybe even graded) Ex/Mt to NM cards and trim them down to look NM/MT or better and put them in a fake slab with a fake flip. And, it may not even be a fake slab and fake flip. They could be the real deal. Someone at PSA could be "backdooring" them. PSA is a dirty, dirty company.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

FWIW, the Jordan looks real to me, just trimmed. I would have to see the back to be sure. The Jackson is definitely trimmed. They probably buy raw (or maybe even graded) Ex/Mt to NM cards and trim them down to look NM/MT or better and put them in a fake slab with a fake flip. And, it may not even be a fake slab and fake flip. They could be the real deal. Someone at PSA could be "backdooring" them. PSA is a dirty, dirty company.

No way is psa involved.

[begsu1013]

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[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

FWIW, the Jordan looks real to me, just trimmed. I would have to see the back to be sure. The Jackson is definitely trimmed. They probably buy raw (or maybe even graded) Ex/Mt to NM cards and trim them down to look NM/MT or better and put them in a fake slab with a fake flip. And, it may not even be a fake slab and fake flip. They could be the real deal. Someone at PSA could be "backdooring" them. PSA is a dirty, dirty company.

Queue the old guy in the original Willie Wonka movie (which is the best btw), "No one ever goes in, and no one ever comes out!". moohaha....!

To say PSA is in on this is totally absurd. Yeah let's risk a hundreds of millions and our reputation on a couple trimmed cards and fake slabs.

[Dewey]

Just read from first to last post. This thread is quite the education. I found this site not long ago while looking to gain info on a particular seller. These threads are important. I know no one needs me to point that out, but just my way as a relative novice of thanking and encouraging you vigilant veterans of the hobby. I appreciate it. And even more, I now understand the value of the name policy. Cheers.

[TheEvilDoc]

Originally Posted by irv

Like Jon and you, how would one really know until it is too late?

I mean the flip looks good, the number crosses, etc, etc.

How many more are out there that current owners don't realize are fake?

So, to verify if I am correct, these are real cards but are not in the class/grade the flip classifies them as?

Scammer gets real slabs but puts altered/trimmed, virtually worthless cards in them and fools people thinking they're the real deal?

How would one know if these were on E-Bay or an A/H without being able to put it in their hand, and even then, like Jon, unless you had one to compare it with, with you, you would, in most cases, assume it is real.

Jordan is a fake card. Completely fake. The Reggie is trimmed and when I put a clear ruler across it it is obviously off 1/8-1/4" BOTH directions.

My opinion is they have a PSA 9 Jordan, then it gets cracked and the flip is harvested and reused. The card gets re-subbed (No bullshit Mayo had just received an order from PSA the first day, or at least staged a "fresh PSA order with Hologram cases) and then BAM, another legit PSA 9 flip. and the cycle continues.

I prefer BGS slabs for this very reason.

I had taken a hiatus from the hobby for a while and had no idea that these were even issues, I assumed (stupidly) that anything graded that had matching PSA numbers was good...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by TheEvilDoc

Jordan is a fake card. Completely fake. The Reggie is trimmed and when I put a clear ruler across it it is obviously off 1/8-1/4" BOTH directions.

My opinion is they have a PSA 9 Jordan, then it gets cracked and the flip is harvested and reused. The card gets re-subbed (No bullshit Mayo had just received an order from PSA the first day, or at least staged a "fresh PSA order with Hologram cases) and then BAM, another legit PSA 9 flip. and the cycle continues.

I prefer BGS slabs for this very reason.

I had taken a hiatus from the hobby for a while and had no idea that these were even issues, I assumed (stupidly) that anything graded that had matching PSA numbers was good...

As long as you can convincingly reseal the holders with a fake altered or overgraded card, it works brilliantly.