High end Heritage lots, which would you rather have?

[Peter_Spaeth]

What's the point of owning a 10 anyhow? It's just a number on a flip assigned somewhat arbitrarily. Speaking as a collector not an investor of course.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the point of owning a 10 anyhow? It's just a number on a flip assigned somewhat arbitrarily. Speaking as a collector not an investor of course.

The real question is when will we see the Pristine 11 grade? SGC and BGS already have Pristine grades - when will PSA follow suit?

It helps if you pronounce "11" with a British rocker accent.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

The real question is when will we see the Pristine 11 grade? SGC and BGS already have Pristine grades - when will PSA follow suit?

It helps if you pronounce "11" with a British rocker accent.

I think a 10.5 would logically come first. Why isn't there a PSA 9.5 by the way, if there is a half step between every other pair of grades there should be one between 9 and 10?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I think a 10.5 would logically come first.

There isn't a 9.5.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

There isn't a 9.5.

Right, but why not? Mint plus but not quite Gem Mint. Same logic as Near Mint to Mint plus no?

[Hot Springs Bathers]

Thanks Jesse!

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What's the point of owning a 10 anyhow? It's just a number on a flip assigned somewhat arbitrarily. Speaking as a collector not an investor of course.

As a collector I suppose not much unless you have a lot of money and are the type of collector who wants the best possible example of every card in your collection. There seem to be enough of these to sustain the high prices for cards that are rare for the grade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

As a collector I suppose not much unless you have a lot of money and are the type of collector who wants the best possible example of every card in your collection. There seem to be enough of these to sustain the high prices for cards that are rare for the grade.

There is an assumption there that 10s are better than 9s. In some cases, perhaps, but as a rule, no. Tons of 10s are just bumped 9s. Most 10s would not regrade 10 if cracked out and resubmitted that's just the nature of the process. There is a fair amount of arbitrariness and percentage game about it IMO.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is an assumption there that 10s are better than 9s. In some cases, perhaps, but as a rule, no. Tons of 10s are just bumped 9s. Most 10s would not regrade 10 if cracked out and resubmitted that's just the nature of the process. There is a fair amount of arbitrariness and percentage game about it IMO.

This debate seems to come up often and I agree with this for the most part. The difference between a 9 and 10 can seem arbitrary at best, especially when viewing scans online. But I'm sure a lot of people have tried to bump their 9s to 10s and many of these type of cards 9s out number 10s by huge ratios, 285 to 4 in the case of the Smith. Even with the 86 Jordan it's about 2400 to 240. A lot of 9s may have been bumped to 10s, but several times more have likely tried and failed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

This debate seems to come up often and I agree with this for the most part. The difference between a 9 and 10 can seem arbitrary at best, especially when viewing scans online. But I'm sure a lot of people have tried to bump their 9s to 10s and many of these type of cards 9s out number 10s by huge ratios, 285 to 4 in the case of the Smith. Even with the 86 Jordan it's about 2400 to 240. A lot of 9s may have been bumped to 10s, but several times more have likely tried and failed.

Smith is a bit unusual because of centering issues. For many cards though, there is more going on than just the strict merits of the card.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There is an assumption there that 10s are better than 9s. In some cases, perhaps, but as a rule, no. Tons of 10s are just bumped 9s. Most 10s would not regrade 10 if cracked out and resubmitted that's just the nature of the process. There is a fair amount of arbitrariness and percentage game about it IMO.

Can't the same apply to 8s and 9s? I see a great deal of 8s that go to 9s. So is the 9 grade pointless too?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by botn

Can't the same apply to 8s and 9s? I see a great deal of 8s that go to 9s. So is the 9 grade pointless too?

Particularly with the very strict grading now I agree there are some 8s that look like 9s. But that said, I think I could tell an 8 from a 9, in general, a lot easier than I could tell a 9 from a 10.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Particularly with the very strict grading now I agree there are some 8s that look like 9s. But that said, I think I could tell an 8 from a 9, in general, a lot easier than I could tell a 9 from a 10.

Makes sense.

[aro13]

The buyer of a PSA 9 Clemente RC for $36,000 in 2006 was called a moron then as well. He is not so much of a moron now that a PSA 9 Clemente RC sold for $310,000 last year and $478,000 this year.

If someone can afford to spend $40,000 on a Terry Bradshaw RC good for them.