1939 Ted Williams Play Ball PSA 8 rookie Heritage auctions

[Rookiemonster]

But who are these baseball card price manipulators? And how is anybody sure they exist?cant it just be the card market rising?

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[ksabet]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

here ya go

I don't have to look to guess that PWCC and Probstein are probably the named perpetrators.

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[ullmandds]

definitely funny business going on there.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

definitely funny business going on there.

Just stiff competition for beautiful cards, no?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by begsu1013

no. thread lists several "buyers" not consignors.

while they did have some cards listed, these guys are buying/not paying on just about every one that comes up.

some serious leg work went into it if ya take the time to read...

I read through the thread. It's pretty scary to think a couple of guys can impact the market that much in such a short period of time. If the ebay auctions are not being paid for I would hope something would be done about it. Wouldn't ebay look into a 30k unpaid auction?

[MetsBaseball1973]

To think there's some cabal out there manipulating all these key cards is really silly. Does it happen here and there, sure.

Guys want prices low when they buy, and then cry or cry foul when prices rise on things they want. Not so much when prices rise on a card they own. Pretty funny.

There is stiff competition for beautiful cards, plain and simple.

[Iron Horse]

Here's a theory,
We know for a fact that there is new money in the hobby. As stated by others some wealthy new collectors have come to cards possibly for investments or partly collecting.
This fact may have triggered those who are manipulating/shilling prices to increase their gains by these artificial prices that only so few can afford to pay.
I know of one collector who is wealthy and is paying these high end record setting prices for these key cards that you guys speak of. He seems to feel that the trend will continue and prices will rise further so it is ok to pay these record $$$ amounts and hold till prices increase further.
As they say if there is blood in the water sharks will come
Again, just a theory and i may be way off.
I know collecting for me has become more difficult as i refuse to pay these record setting prices which are now even affecting even low to mid grade level cards.
Guess just seat back and watch till the dust settles. Only question is how dusty is the situation and how long till it settles.
Enjoy collecting

[JeremyW]

I might be alone, but $30,000. for a single 1986 Fleer basketball card is not right.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by JeremyW

I might be alone, but $30,000. for a single 1986 Fleer basketball card is not right.

The price paid is for the flip not the card. Want proof? Crack out the card and see what it sells for. Or resubmit it 100 times and see how many times it gets a 10 again.

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[2dueces]

Wow thanks for the heads up on the Jordan stickers and rookie actually.
Back in 1993 my buddies and I were in Vegas and we played pack poker at $25 a pack for 1986 Fleer. I won 2 packs and pulled a Jordan rookie and sticker. 2 other Jordan rookies were pulled and kept. The rest of the cards and stickers weren't wanted so I took them all. All together I have 4 stickers.
Jordan rookie is a PSA 7 and the 2 stickers I graded are an 8 and a 9.
I hadn't looked at prices in years. Wow. Paid for my Vegas trip and then some.

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The price paid is for the flip not the card. Want proof? Crack out the card and see what it sells for. Or resubmit it 100 times and see how many times it gets a 10 again.

and you can say that about any card graded 10 !

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