PWCC Juggernaught

[Iron Horse]

Smoke and mirrors?

[bobbyw8469]

Admittedly I have not given him Clemente, Mantle and Mays rookies in PSA 8s but the prices he gets on a good deal of his stuff is unbelievable, literally. No slam against Brent but there is no way money is actually changing hands on some of this stuff. See the same bidder ids running up stuff, many with lots of retractions and those same listings end up being well over VCP highest sales within hours of listings. Sorry but it is highly suspicious.

Agreed. I gave him a small sampling of stuff, so probably not enough to run a good test on (5 cards), but I was VERY disappointed in the final sales prices on my 5 card consignment. No record breaking prices set for me, and I was thinking I probably could have done just as good, if not better, selling it myself. I am dumbfounded when I see the record breaking prices, especially on the lower end stuff (PSA 5 and lower).

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Agreed. I gave him a small sampling of stuff, so probably not enough to run a good test on (5 cards), but I was VERY disappointed in the final sales prices on my 5 card consignment. No record breaking prices set for me, and I was thinking I probably could have done just as good, if not better, selling it myself. I am dumbfounded when I see the record breaking prices, especially on the lower end stuff (PSA 5 and lower).

the record stuff is really for that top 5% that we are all watching....none of us are looking at 1974 topps psa 8 commons..

psa 5s are all not ower end stuff....a psa 5 centered mickey mantle 1951 bowman is not like other psa 5s for example..there are plenty of psa 5s that bring in thousands..

when we arent consigning our water front property cards but are bidding on water front property cards than its more likely we will see record setting prices on cards we are bidding on and getting lower than we expected (even though we werent able to sell the cards on our own for more than what we got) for cards we are consigning

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

the record stuff is really for that top 5% that we are all watching....none of us are looking at 1974 topps psa 8 commons..

psa 5s are all not ower end stuff....a psa 5 centered mickey mantle 1951 bowman is not like other psa 5s for example..there are plenty of psa 5s that bring in thousands..

when we arent consigning our water front property cards but are bidding on water front property cards than its more likely we will see record setting prices on cards we are bidding on and getting lower than we expected (even though we werent able to sell the cards on our own for more than what we got) for cards we are consigning

Are we all watching the same 5%? The world record prices are not limited to what you call waterfront property cards in PWCC's auctions.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by botn

Are we all watching the same 5%? The world record prices are not limited to what you call waterfront property cards in PWCC's auctions.

yes we are all watching those top 5%..not everyone looking at the same cards but all together looking at them...can be records highs on some other cards..but for the most part its true....when we consign a 1952 Topps standard Frank House PSA 8 of the world i wouldnt expect a record high, in fact commons are trending down...if its a 1952 Mays topps PSA 5..theres a better chance for a record high..or green cobb.etc.......yet people complain they arent getting what the card is 'worth' when consigning the Frank Houses of the world ...and not understanding why that happened considering others are getting record highs on the Mays.....these cards are just being used as examples/symbols

[jmb]

I consigned a small group (7) of cards to PWCC to try them out. While there are still several days to go, one of the cards has already eclipsed the asking price from when I listed it on the BST. I will already clear more than I had asked on the BST even after PWCC fees come out.

[ullmandds]

Brent seems to be a good guy. He has responded to my email questions...which is more than a lot of big ebay sellers. And somehow he gets a constant flow of quality cardboard.

But with ebay auctions there is opportunity for shenanigans...and it does seem to occur somewhat regularly.

[botn]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

yes we are all watching those top 5%..not everyone looking at the same cards but all together looking at them...can be records highs on some other cards..but for the most part its true....when we consign a 1952 Topps standard Frank House PSA 8 of the world i wouldnt expect a record high, in fact commons are trending down...if its a 1952 Mays topps PSA 5..theres a better chance for a record high..or green cobb.etc.......yet people complain they arent getting what the card is 'worth' when consigning the Frank Houses of the world ...and not understanding why that happened considering others are getting record highs on the Mays.....these cards are just being used as examples/symbols

You seem to think I was not happy with the results of my consignments, which is not true. I am also not comparing my sales through PWCC or under my own ID to PWCC's results. My comparison is to the data within VCP and is not based on your 5% figure--whatever is represented in that figure. Commons are dead for everyone. I am talking about star cards, not even nice examples for the grade and not all in high grade. The listings have the same bidding patterns, with similar ids appearing over and over, auctions with bidders with bid retractions which get run up within the first day of bidding while other cards like them lag behind.

I get it you like Brent and he can do no wrong. I like Brent too but there is clearly something going on with too many of his listings.