Tale of Two Green Cobbies(REA)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Most 8s look like bad hack jobs to me. I don't understand paying a bunch of money for an obviously trimmed card. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

To loosely paraphrase Robert Duvall in Apocalypse Now, if I say that's an 8, Captain, then that's an 8!!

[uniship]

Not that I have ever trimmed a card in any way - and not that I endorse scammers that do so - but 2 things

1 how exactly do these trimmers have the balls to do it?

2 how exactly do they do it? Can't be scissors. Can't be paper cutter. How do these trimmers actually trim the cards? I've heard " Laser " cutters? What is a laser cutter?

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by uniship

Not that I have ever trimmed a card in any way - and not that I endorse scammers that do so - but 2 things

1 how exactly do these trimmers have the balls to do it?

2 how exactly do they do it? Can't be scissors. Can't be paper cutter. How do these trimmers actually trim the cards? I've heard " Laser " cutters? What is a laser cutter?

1) Good question
2) Yet another good question. I think for the most part, most of us can detect a trimmed card (typical trimmed card that is) from a mile away. Holding it in our hand would be easy. But seeing the paper stock on the edges and the color or dis-coloration would be an easy way to tell as well.

I'm sure if someone were to cut the SGC card up and resubmit to let's say PSA. PSA "should" be able to tell that the card had been cut. Do they not look along the edges? Would the paper stock not be obscenely more light than it should be? Or does PSA not even bother looking into each and every single card that could be trimmed? They sure as hell do with the low grade stuff, why not the high grade? Do they really need to believe that there's a bunch of Cobb 8s out there? Or do they really need to have it on their pop reports over everyone else, (well SGC) when they're already the monopoly.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

1) Good question
2) Yet another good question. I think for the most part, most of us can detect a trimmed card (typical trimmed card that is) from a mile away. Holding it in our hand would be easy. But seeing the paper stock on the edges and the color or dis-coloration would be an easy way to tell as well.

I'm sure if someone were to cut the SGC card up and resubmit to let's say PSA. PSA "should" be able to tell that the card had been cut. Do they not look along the edges? Would the paper stock not be obscenely more light than it should be? Or does PSA not even bother looking into each and every single card that could be trimmed? They sure as hell do with the low grade stuff, why not the high grade? Do they really need to believe that there's a bunch of Cobb 8s out there? Or do they really need to have it on their pop reports over everyone else, (well SGC) when they're already the monopoly.

I believe you are underestimating the sophistication and skill of the elite card doctors. Yes, if you or I were to trim a card it would be obvious. Not these guys.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I believe you are underestimating the sophistication and skill of the elite card doctors. Yes, if you or I were to trim a card it would be obvious. Not these guys.

Why yes I am. Laser cutting? That's why I was wondering what the hell does someone do to make a non-detectable trim where a "Professional Grading Company" is unable to detect foul play?

Perhaps if they cant' beat the crooks they hire em like in "Catch me if you Can"?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Why yes I am. Laser cutting? That's why I was wondering what the hell does someone do to make a non-detectable trim where a "Professional Grading Company" is unable to detect foul play?

Perhaps if they cant' beat the crooks they hire em like in "Catch me if you Can"?

There have been posts over the years about microtrimming and how difficult it is to detect. I really don't know the techniques used.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Why yes I am. Laser cutting? That's why I was wondering what the hell does someone do to make a non-detectable trim where a "Professional Grading Company" is unable to detect foul play?

Perhaps if they cant' beat the crooks they hire em like in "Catch me if you Can"?

You are giving the grading companies way too much credit. Grading and detecting trimming is not a science. There are some common characteristics of trimming but at the end of the day most of it, unless really obvious, is a crap-shoot. That is my personal experience.

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by uniship

Not that I have ever trimmed a card in any way - and not that I endorse scammers that do so - but 2 things

1 how exactly do these trimmers have the balls to do it?

2 how exactly do they do it? Can't be scissors. Can't be paper cutter. How do these trimmers actually trim the cards? I've heard " Laser " cutters? What is a laser cutter?

The answer to question 1 in cash and lots of it.

They can be trimmed with a paper cutter, many high end graded cards got resized using one. The most famous trimmed card ever was supposedly trimmed with an exacto knife.

[T205 GB]

No mater what you can't reproduce the edge roll with common cutters of any type. They just don't do the same job and that's what you have to look at. Just my opinion on what I have seen on altered trimmed cards.