Do you leave negative feedback for excessive shipping?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Shipping 1 card:

Mail Cost: $2.54
Bubble Mailer $.11
Cardboard Pads $.16
Tape $.03
Biz Card and/or marketing Materials $.03-$.40
CS1 $.05
eBay charge 10% $.35

I charge $3.50 and payout $3.51~ on every shipment to get it to the door. Buyers who complain about shipping charges and how "you try to make money on them" get blocked.

Is this a joke?? Why the heck does your business card and/or marketing materials get factored into the customer's cost of shipping???? That's not a buyer's responsibility to pay the costs of YOU promoting YOUR business. That's what revenue is for. Come on!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Is this a joke?? Why the heck does your business card and/or marketing materials get factored into the customer's cost of shipping???? That's not a buyer's responsibility to pay the costs of YOU promoting YOUR business. That's what revenue is for. Come on!!

Hes only charging $3.50 shipping. What more do you want? Instead of $.11 for the bubble mailer, how about he charges $.51 and throws in the business card / marketing material for free? Would that make you feel better about the $3.50 shipping?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Hes only charging $3.50 shipping. What more do you want? Instead of $.11 for the bubble mailer, how about he charges $.51 and throws in the business card / marketing material for free? Would that make you feel better about the $3.50 shipping?

He's listing SPECIFIC charges for shipping, m_ron. Things like the cost of tape and the bubble mailer. 'Charging' someone for business cards and marketing materials is not a freaking SPECIFIC cost of shipping to be passed on to the buyer.

[tribefan]

Shipping 3 oz or less is now 2.45 after the USPS rollback a few weeks ago. The 9 cents per package savings should make a nice rebate for volume shippers.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

He's listing SPECIFIC charges for shipping, moron. Things like the cost of tape and the bubble mailer. 'Charging' someone for business cards and marketing materials is not a freaking SPECIFIC cost of shipping to be passed on to the buyer.

Dumbass

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Dumbass

Just like a few years ago, a-hole. Any f**** time. Bring it, tough guy. Bring it!!!!!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Just like a few years ago, asshole. Any fucking time. Bring it, tough guy. Bring it!!!!!

What happened a few years ago? Be very spevific about all the details because if you dont, I will (and I still have the PMs to back it up). Go ahead, tell exactly what happened.

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

What happened a few years ago? Be very spevific about all the details because if you dont, I will (and I still have the PMs to back it up). Go ahead, tell exactly what happened.

Your whole purpose in life, as anyone can see by reading any thread you're involved in, is just to be an a-hole to everybody. It's hilarious!!! I mean the rest of us get in arguments or disagreements here and there, because we're normal human beings, but you?? 100% snarky anger 100% of the time.

Oh, and it involves you being a fucking tough guy, d-bag. Complaining and carping because in your dumba** mind I was posting too much for a new guy. And you obviously thought I would be 'frightened' of you. So I specifically asked you where you live so maybe we could have a little meet up. Because if you were anywhere near me on the east coast, anywhere, I would've been happy to meet up with you and see how tough you really are. But, alas, you were in Texas. And I believe you sent me a pic of your license but said something to the effect of, I'm moving so I won't be living there very soon. Aw, you saved the PM's. How cute.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

He's listing SPECIFIC charges for shipping, moron. Things like the cost of tape and the bubble mailer. 'Charging' someone for business cards and marketing materials is not a freaking SPECIFIC cost of shipping to be passed on to the buyer.

The $3.50 charge is fully disclosed prior to purchasing the item. The additional cost for shipping cards above that is $.10 per item.

eBay taking $.35 per shipping charge which is something that is unable to be passed on to the consumer.

eBay also charges to list each item and Paypal charges to sell each item.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

Buyers who complain about shipping charges and how "you try to make money on them" get blocked.

I think we found you one right here in this thread.

Hey, Weeping Willow, err, I mean Jolly Elm, how about sharing your eBay ID here so that several of us can block you?

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

The $3.50 charge is fully disclosed prior to purchasing the item. The additional cost for shipping cards above that is $.10 per item.

eBay taking $.35 per shipping charge which is something that is unable to be passed on to the consumer.

eBay also charges to list each item and Paypal charges to sell each item.

Listen, Sean. You can charge whatever the hell you want for shipping. I've bought quite a lot from you off of ebay. No problem. My 'objection' is you adding your marketing expenses to your list in your first post. Tape and envelopes are specifically a part of a buyer's expense to get something shipped. Paying for your business cards is an operating expense and has nothing to do with the actual mailing.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Listen, Sean. You can charge whatever the hell you want for shipping. I've bought quite a lot from you off of ebay. No problem. My 'objection' is you adding your marketing expenses to your list in your first post. Tape and envelopes are specifically a part of a buyer's expense to get something shipped. Paying for your business cards is an operating expense and has nothing to do with the actual mailing.

I understand your point of view. I respectfully disagree.

Any way we look at it this is a matter of a few cents and washes out.

I didn't add in label cost, the $.05-$.10 eBay cost to get the item up, or the $.30+2.9% Paypal fee. At the end of the day the only entity winning on shipping cost is eBay/Paypal.

[D.P.Johnson]

What about the cost of printer ink and labels???......

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

What about the cost of printer ink and labels???......

As a collector trying to connect with other collectors you should be factoring in your printer ink, labels (I forgot those on the list above, whoops - it's actually a loss of 4 cents per package), and business cards.

How many of you guys are here that are collectors, but have a business card for your hobby business?

I meet quite a few guys who set up at card shows on the weekend that pass out business cards and are collectors. Their table cost and business card cost may be minimal, but it still factors in.

Let's get back to the topic: negative feedback for excessive shipping. Would you leave a negative feedback for an charge of $3.50, disclosed at the time of listing?

[D.P.Johnson]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

As a collector trying to connect with other collectors you should be factoring in your printer ink, labels (I forgot those on the list above, whoops - it's actually a loss of 4 cents per package), and business cards.

How many of you guys are here that are collectors, but have a business card for your hobby business?

I meet quite a few guys who set up at card shows on the weekend that pass out business cards and are collectors. Their table cost and business card cost may be minimal, but it still factors in.

Let's get back to the topic: negative feedback for excessive shipping. Would you leave a negative feedback for an charge of $3.50, disclosed at the time of listing?

My comment wasn't directed at you Sean; I'm actually impressed you've figured out exactly what it DOES cost to ship a small package. I remember this topic (the cost of shipping) being discussed before, and I think it sheds some light on the subject, expecially for those people who think sellers are "gouging" when they charge $3.00 or so to ship an item.
Anyway, with that being said, NO I don't think $3.50 is excessive for shipping an item, and I wouldn't leave negative feedback...

[begsu1013]

to answer you question directly...

it depends:


q: if i pay $3.50 and it's properly packed?

a: great. posi feedback.


q: if i pay $3.50 and it shows up in a white envelope, but still unscathed?

a: i say "wow", note the brass balls but still don't leave neg feedback.


q: if i pay $3.50+ and it shows up in a white envelope and is damaged?

a: heaven help them.

[Rookiemonster]

Any who , I don't mind what someone charges for shipping.i make a price on a card and factor in the shipping. If it more then I'm willing to pay for the card. I don't buy it . I hate when I get a ridge card holder and not a top loader. I just might never buy a card from you again.


I will leave neutral feedback and low stars if you ship me any card between only two piece of cardboard and blue tape! ✌🏽

[bobbyw8469]

I have only written a few sellers telling them their shipping fees, using Global, are outrageous.

That isn't the seller. That is EBay. Ebay is charging that fee. Sellers ship it to a center in Kentucky and wipe their hands of it.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I have a question for you guys that do sell on eBay. Do you have to use the eBay shipping system or do you just process and mail on your own?

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

I have a question for you guys that do sell on eBay. Do you have to use the eBay shipping system or do you just process and mail on your own?

I use Stamps.com for most packages, and it sends the tracking info back to Ebay.

Will use Ebay for Internationals because they give better discounts for that. Ebay used to give discounts for heavier Priority packages, but not so much anymore.

Stamps still showing $2.60 to me for 3 oz's and under. Doesn't make much difference though, since I pack everything heavier then 3oz's anyways, even if it's just a card. You could say it's wasteful, but it's going to get where it's going in the same shape it left in.

[irv]

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Unless the seller has $100s of dollars tied up in old stamps that aren't worth any more than face value. Then it is not silly or unnecessary.

Not likely, but I guess it's a possibility?

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

That isn't the seller. That is EBay. Ebay is charging that fee. Sellers ship it to a center in Kentucky and wipe their hands of it.

It's a sellers choice whether they choose to use E-Bay shipping or not.

The majority of the cards I purchase now are way cheaper than Global and certainly cheaper than the price of the card I am purchasing.

Global is expensive and on the cards I purchase, is sometimes double and triple the price of the card.

It makes zero sense purchasing a $4.00-$5.00 card only to have to pay $14.00 dollars+ in shipping fees plus another few bucks for import fees which get applied using the Global shipping as well.

Most I usually pay now, to my door, is $4-$5 or less.

[nat]

Shipping is just part of the cost of the card. If the card is worth $X to you, you pay up to $X to have it. And part of having it is having it sent to you. Neither the buyer nor the seller should care what the shipping cost is. If you charge $40 for shipping buyers are just going to bid $(X-40) for it. How the cost is distributed between the card and the shipping charge really doesn't matter.

So no, don't leave negative feedback for high shipping charges. Just put in a lower bid than you would otherwise.

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

I have a question for you guys that do sell on eBay. Do you have to use the eBay shipping system or do you just process and mail on your own?

I use the eBay system because you get a 10% discount on the postage, which basically covers the fees on the shipping.

[sbfinley]

If you live out of the country, especially Canada, do one of the following.

A. Find someone stateside you trust to collect your purchases and ship all together once a month.

Or easier:

B. Set up a COMC account and have all your purchases shipped there. You can bundle and and ship groups whenever you feel like it. Your monthly fees will be drastically less than you pay in shipping for your purchases.

[begsu1013]

Originally Posted by Hot Springs Bathers

I have a question for you guys that do sell on eBay. Do you have to use the eBay shipping system or do you just process and mail on your own?

i don't sell much on ebay, but when i do, i use my own fedex account and simply upload the tracking number to the system.

card delivered the next day or so and don't have to play the waiting/worry game that coincides w/ the usps or swap 20 messages about what they should do or where is it.

i also don't charge for shipping, one less thing anyone can b!tch about.

"time" is the ultimate commodity.

[kmac32]

Negative feedback for excessive shipping is uncalled for. Bidders know the shipping if they read the listing and nobody is forced to bid so negatives should not be allowed. Now poor packaging is a different story in my opinion.

[steve B]

Shipping can be strange sometimes.

When I was active I shipped internationally and didn't have any problems. But all the stuff that went international was cheap. I did have a buyer in Germany ask how much the partial Victrola would cost to ship. (About 50Lbs packed, actually an upright machine that someone cut the useful part off of. Ugly but worked great)

For small stuff like one card or some small bike parts I had a flat price that was just above postage, at the time around $2. International at cost. What got weird was that for a very light package Shipping to Canada and most of western Europe was actually around 1.50. So the international buyers got a pretty good deal.
I figured packing materials as an expense. I reused a lot, and got a huge batch of bubble mailers for CDs from a friend who bought a vanload of shipping supplies from someone who quit Ebay selling.

One of the parts I had a lot of I was selling for $15 a set. And sold around 10 sets a week. Ebay started pushing free shipping, so I figured I'd give it a try - they might have offered some deal like no insertion fee. So I made it $20 with no shipping. And sales nearly doubled

Since I did stamps and general antiques and odd stuff, I got some interesting requests. A guy from Japan who collected postage meter envelopes asked me to ship his stuff by surface mail which was being cancelled at the end of the month. The poor guy at the post office tried for about 15 minutes but the system wouldn't allow a letter to got surface. (They were ok with trying since I usually had everything entirely ready to go, and knew the rules about what I could send with what service)

Fun stuff, I kinda miss it. I don't miss the LCD buyers they really tried to attract. "Shipping is $2, international at cost"
"How much to ship to Kansas"

Steve B

[pokerplyr80]

I think it would be pretty ridiculous to leave negative feedback for shipping charges that you are aware of before you bid.

If a card is mailed to me unprotected in a white envelope I would leave negative feedback regardless of the shipping charge.

As far as people complaining of a $3-5 shipping charge that's why I don't sell on ebay and consign anything I'm looking to move. The time it takes to pack, ship, drive to the post office, cost of gas, etc more than makes up for the perceived discrepancy in materials alone.