Jay Publishing question

[Exhibitman]

Someone needs to research and publish a comprehensive guide to team issues because there is a ton of confusion.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by mikesplace30

There are three sets from 1962 Jay publishing that have the two font styles. As you know the Yankees are one with the Giants and Twins the others. I don't know the explanation for this smaller font .

Mike, thanks for the input. I wasn't aware that three sets from 1962 had different font styles. Did you learn this from experience or did you read it somewhere?

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Someone needs to research and publish a comprehensive guide to team issues because there is a ton of confusion.

I totally agree!

[mikesplace30]

i own the Yankees and Twins. i have seen the Giants but the price the owner wanted ($250) was outrageous so I declined. As noted, the font for all three are identical and are not 1961's. The photos for the Twins and Giants are identical to the "regular font" sets of 1962.
To the best of my knowledge there are no other teams issued with this font variation.

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by mikesplace30

i own the Yankees and Twins. i have seen the Giants but the price the owner wanted ($250) was outrageous so I declined. As noted, the font for all three are identical and are not 1961's. The photos for the Twins and Giants are identical to the "regular font" sets of 1962.
To the best of my knowledge there are no other teams issued with this font variation.

Again, thanks for the info! I'm glad the Kubek picture was different in the Yankee photo pack. Otherwise I wouldn't have gotten the set and then noticed the different font and the different photo cropping of the pictures.

[carlsonjok]

Bumping an old thread.

Are there any Jay collectors out there that can advise how the discern years of publication? I have a Johnny Antonelli player collection and I am trying to make heads or tails out of what I have and what I am missing. I have pulled down what is shown on TCDB and the 1955, 1956 Picture Pack 10 subjects, and 1956 Picture Pack 12 subjects appear identical.

I downloaded the three images, cropped out the borders and created an animated GIF so you can see what I mean:



There is an obvious change in darkness, but that could be an artifact of scanning rather than actual differences in the several issues. Is there a way to differentiate or do I just throw up my hands and say if I have one that I have them all?

[JollyElm]

Nothing against TCDB, but I know they once had an OPC card pictured as the Topps version, and it jumped out at me, because the cropping wasn't right. They ended up changing the listing with the right card pictured.

So, it is possible that three (or even two) of the photos are from the same set. Certainly not saying that's the case, but it is possible that they accidentally overlapped them.

[Rich Klein]

From what I heard Jay's Publishing stopped making the photos because the owner died in a 1965 plane crash and that effectively ended the company.

Also remember that Manny's Baseball Land (across the street from Yankees Stadium and a major mail-order dealer) also made their own photo sets.

The lists in Beckett and TCDB both came mainly from Jack Webster and IMHO you can take those lists to the bank as he (along with a few other dedicated collectors) were very detailed oriented.

Regards
Rich

[AustinMike]

Originally Posted by carlsonjok

Bumping an old thread.

Are there any Jay collectors out there that can advise how the discern years of publication? I have a Johnny Antonelli player collection and I am trying to make heads or tails out of what I have and what I am missing. I have pulled down what is shown on TCDB and the 1955, 1956 Picture Pack 10 subjects, and 1956 Picture Pack 12 subjects appear identical.

I downloaded the three images, cropped out the borders and created an animated GIF so you can see what I mean:



There is an obvious change in darkness, but that could be an artifact of scanning rather than actual differences in the several issues. Is there a way to differentiate or do I just throw up my hands and say if I have one that I have them all?

As Jolly Elm has said, you cannot trust TCDB completely. The site has a lot of good info, but not all of it is correct. For instance, the 1958 Yankees team photo set (the non-Jay photo set and non-Action photo set) had a couple of Jay photos shown for a couple of players. In addition, it did not have the correct checklist. I sent a correction to them last fall. I got a question in October about it and quickly responded. I didn't hear back from them until February of this year. The message said my checklist did not match the checklist listed in KeymanCollectibles. My response was that the checklist was wrong and I can send pictures of the set. I never heard back. And now, since then, more Jay photos have been added for the set. So, don't completely trust TCDB info.

At one point I compiled a montage of Mantle photos from the 1957 to 1960 Jay sets. Here it is:

Jay's Mantles 1957 - 1960 shrunk.jpg

As shown, there are various cropping differences between the different years. The first picture is from a 1957 25-photo set. The next is from a 1958 12-photo set. The next two are from 1958 World Series packs (a Yankees 12 photo pack and a Yankees-Braves 24 photo pack). The next two are from a 1959 All-Star pack and a 1959 12-photo Yankee team pack. The next two are from a 1960 All-Star pack and a 1960 12-photo Yankee team pack. I'm not sure about the date for the last one. So, even though the same photo is used each year, there are cropping differences.

I think your best bet is to find someone who has all 3 years of the complete Giant photo packs. They can confirm whether TCDB has the correct photos for each year or whether there is a slight cropping difference between the years.

Good luck!