Taking a break from the hobby (and that is why I hate .99 cent auctions!)

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by tschock

As a seller, one is either holding to the tenet of 'a sale is a sale' or is allowing for some wiggle room based on circumstances. It seems as if the seller is holding to the former and simply trying to clarify (justify?) his position with subsequent statements about the sale. The seller is perfectly within his rights to do so.

Now if you allow for wiggle room, the first question in my mind would be "Did the buyer make and honest mistake or is it just a case of buyer's remorse?" If it was an honest mistake, I personally would let it slide (but that's just me). In this case it would seem reasonable (again, to me) that a $666 snipe on a card that never sold over $100 in the past would tend toward the side of 'mistake' rather than 'remorse'.

The card HAS sold over $100. If he made a sniping error, why didn't he correct it, or cancel the snipe? You have up until 3 minutes until the auction closes to do so.

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The card HAS sold over $100. If he made a sniping error, why didn't he correct it, or cancel the snipe? You have up until 3 minutes until the auction closes to do so.

Bobbi, Steve already explained that he DIDN'T REALIZE he typed in the wrong snipe. How, then, can he be expected to fix it before the auction ends? Do you often correct mistakes you don't know you've made?

You are right that he committed to buying it and you would have been well within your rights to force the sale. But stick to those facts. That's your strongest argument. When you say silly things like that he should have corrected his snipe, you just hurt your other, more valid points. Steve says he didn't realize there was a typo in the snipe.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by DBesse27

You are right that he committed to buying it and you would have been well within your rights to force the sale. But stick to those facts. That's your strongest argument. When you say silly things like that he should have corrected his snipe, you just hurt your other, more valid points. Steve says he didn't realize there was a typo in the snipe.

These are the kinds of things I notice as well, but it's just my 'logical dominant' side though, I assume.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The card HAS sold over $100. If he made a sniping error, why didn't he correct it, or cancel the snipe? You have up until 3 minutes until the auction closes to do so.

Asked, and answered. And very reasonable, IMO. I usually 'set and forget' my snipes as well, and HAVE made mistakes when I'm setting a bunch at one time. Now generally I will review (and correct) those when I am done setting them, and maybe the OP should have double-checked when he set them as well. But I don't usually monitor them once they've been set and many times, have no idea when the auction has ended until I get that little 'dink dink' on my phone.

Sorry if I misunderstood that it HAD sold for over $100. What was the high sale price (ballpark sale price is fine)? $200? $500? That price would influence my view on his 'mistake'.

I'm just confused why you are assuming some nefarious excuse by the buyer. Maybe it's 'once bitten, twice shy'? Or just our different outlooks?

[bobbyw8469]

Sorry if I misunderstood that it HAD sold for over $100. What was the high sale price (ballpark sale price is fine)? $200? $500? That price would influence my view on his 'mistake'.

The high before mine was $105. I had an underbidder bid $111.50

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The high before mine was $105. I had an underbidder bid $111.50

Ahhhh... that is SO much closer to $666 than I realized.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by tschock

Ahhhh... that is SO much closer to $666 than I realized.

Exactly!!! It was nowhere near his "monumental" snipe. It was actually closer in line to where it should sell for. If he doesn't bid, the underbidder wins it for $102.50. Not the record high, but it would have sold over $100 as well. The card market is heating up. It trips me out when people quote "VCP averages" like that is written in stone! I am sorry, but for certain key rookies, especially centered key rookies, you can throw VCP out the window. The card market is the hottest thing going now, and new players don't give a damn about VCP average!

[vintagetoppsguy]

Bobby sold the card to another board member.

Situation over.

Do you guys really still have to continue to be aholes?

[tschock]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Exactly!!! It was nowhere near his "monumental" snipe. It was actually closer in line to where it should sell for. If he doesn't bid, the underbidder wins it for $102.50. Not the record high, but it would have sold over $100 as well. The card market is heating up. It trips me out when people quote "VCP averages" like that is written in stone! I am sorry, but for certain key rookies, especially centered key rookies, you can throw VCP out the window. The card market is the hottest thing going now, and new players don't give a damn about VCP average!

Understood. But we're using this price for 2 different reasons. Mine was to point out that the $666 snipe bid was a mistake. Yours to indicate that it affected the (possible) sale price of the card.

You also keep insisting that if it wasn't intentional, then why didn't Steve change it before the snipe kicked in. Based on the sale prices and what it WOULD have sold for to the under bidder in your auction, are you STILL claiming that the $666 snipe bid was intentional?

If you still claim it was intentional, then I can't help you with that. But if you can admit it was a mistake on the buyer's part, then all that remains is what you do with the seller since he made a mistake.

[bobbyw8469]

are you STILL claiming that the $666 snipe bid was intentional?

I have no idea if that is true or not. His snipe might have only been $130. Anyone can claim anything. I just know what I saw and how it affected me.

Let's give the Marichal a rest guys....like David says....another board member bought the card. Everyone should be happy. The card market is the hottest it has been in years!! Everyone bask in the sun while the clouds are at bay (while we can).

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The card HAS sold over $100. If he made a sniping error, why didn't he correct it, or cancel the snipe? You have up until 3 minutes until the auction closes to do so.

I was hoping this thread would die...

Robert,
Snipes are meant to NOT watch the item until the end. If I were watching it, I would have just bid on it. You set a snipe, then hope it wins, without you being there. It's automated for a reason, so that I dont have to be there in person. That's pretty much the definition of a snipe, so I continue to be baffled why you can't understand this concept and feel that I should have been watching this item until it's auction end. When I got the email that I had won a PSA 6 Marichal for $114, I knew something was wrong and messaged you immediately.
Had I seen the incorrect snipe, I WOULD HAVE CHANGED IT. And like I said before, not all sniping services have the same time deadline. GavelSnipe, for instance, wont let you make changes within 10 minutes of the auctions end.

I'll say it again... Had I seen the incorrect snipe, I WOULD HAVE CHANGED IT. I obviously didnt. Yes, I ruined your auction, and I have apologized. All that I asked from you, when I privately messaged you, was for some sort of empathy for my situation and mistake. You didnt have to obliged (and you didnt).

Up until this point, I was in the wrong. I have never denied that. After that though, making this small private matter into a big public display, was all on you. At that point, you were in the wrong.

But two wrongs obviously dont make a right... and here we are.

Everyone else,
Can we kill this thread yet?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

The card HAS sold over $100. If he made a sniping error, why didn't he correct it, or cancel the snipe? You have up until 3 minutes until the auction closes to do so.

right..hes good at math but terrible at sniping

[begsu1013]

has anyone asked when this "break" is actually taking place?

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right..hes good at math but terrible at sniping

Thankfully, I don't even have to have a well thought out rebuttal to your post since it's logic is somewhat flawed, but mostly because your reputation precedes you. Carry on.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

Thankfully, I don't even have to have a well thought out rebuttal to your post since it's logic is somewhat flawed, but mostly because your reputation precedes you. Carry on.

I think you are the one building a reputation ..i never been accused of trying to alter a committed sale or anything negative ever about the actual transaction of buying and selling a card..(or 50+ posts on the topic where i have to defend a failed transaction)

Arguing about the merits of hitting for a cycle is one thing, being accused of unfair dealings in buying cards is another...and yes i know you would of bought the card, but trying to alter the deal over 10-20 bucks can go against a reputation.

I guess my logic is flawed and you are great at sniping and never make mistakes, sorry for my misunderstanding....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

I think you are the one building a reputation ..i never been accused of trying to alter a committed sale or anything negative ever about the actual transaction of buying and selling a card.. I guess my logic is flawed and you are great at sniping, sorry for my misunderstanding....

And he would have completed the transaction had Bob not agreed to cancel it, I am sure. He did nothing wrong asking Bob if he would make an accommodation given that his bid was a mistake.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

And he would have completed the transaction had Bob not agreed to cancel it, I am sure. He did nothing wrong asking Bob if he would make an accommodation given that his bid was a mistake.

How was his bid a mistake, he said my logic was flawed that he was bad in sniping(meaning his is great at it) Also i think bobby would dispute that he was going to pay timely...

I do agree its not a big deal, but my comment wasnt a big deal and he chose to bring up 'reputation', I not sure that was the right route for him to go with my comment....'he is good at math but bad at sniping' not sure how that was worth his wierd post.

[kailes2872]

Late to the party but count me among those who speak on Steve's behalf. He has been a tremendous help to me in my quest as we have done several deals. He even went so far as to tip me off when a card on my want list was at a fair BIN price - when he could have purchased and put a premium on it and sold it to me. I had a post a couple of years ago because I did almost the identical thing. I put a bid in early and added an extra 0. I asked how to do a bid retraction. What followed was an assault on character. I was more than happy to pay whatever price and "take my medicine" but I feared getting shilled to ridiculous amounts. If we could just trust the process, things would work out and we would be fine - but with all of the ugly stuff in the hobby people tend to be on edge and assume the worst in folks.

I think Bobby is a great guy as well. He has sold me great material and we were going to partner on an REA lot last year if we got our price. Having dealt with both parties, I believe that positive intent was there. Sometimes fingers get fat. I am not sure why Bobby is exiting the hobby for a while, but perhaps every dollar sold really matters and it is an emotional time. Maybe everything is cool and he just wants to liquidate - I obviously don't know and don't want to presume - but I guess point being that the payment timing and amount of the sale could carry extra significance. All I know is that I come to this board to learn from the best, to chat with folks who love the same stuff that I do - because I normally get blank stares when I talk about it, and I occasionally get good deals. This high tension stuff is what I deal with in the normal crazy work day. Net54 is my escape. All in all, a bummer situation between two fantastic, honorable guys that has been remedied. I will now go look lovingly at my SGC80 '61 Marichal that is a tad OC and wish that it was a centered PSA6 because they now go for over 100 bucks!!

[Rich Klein]

Of course, there is always the option of actually making a bid during the auction instead of sniping. If he had done that, he would have had plenty of time to realize he made a mistake and fixed his incorrect bid

Rich

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Arguing about the merits of hitting for a cycle is one thing, being accused of unfair dealings in buying cards is another...and yes i know you would of bought the card, but trying to alter the deal over 10-20 bucks can go against a reputation.

I guess my logic is flawed and you are great at sniping and never make mistakes, sorry for my misunderstanding....

I made a mistake. I owned up to it. I asked for a possibilty of understanding, from one collector/net54 member to another. "Altering" the auction implies that I did it on purpose. That is not true. I only asked for empathy. I didnt get it, so I moved on... But wait.... there's now a post about me, and another from members asking what was going on. Drama then incurs.

Now I am just trying to defend myself, not the transaction. I think that most people would give me the benefit of the doubt. I explained myself well, I haven't ever done this before and I am not a nuisance at all on these boards. Pretty sure Robert is the first person that I've ever upset on here. And our transaction should have stayed private. As I thought me asking of a favor was harmless as the end result would have been either a) Bobby tells me to 'pound sand' and I pay for the item or b) Bobby does me "a solid" and helps me out. Was going to be a) until all of this drama.

Hopefully this post isn't "weird".

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I made a mistake. I owned up to it. I asked for a possibilty of understanding, from one collector/net54 member to another. "Altering" the auction implies that I did it on purpose. That is not true. I only asked for empathy. I didnt get it, so I moved on... But wait.... there's now a post about me, and another from members asking what was going on. Drama then incurs.

Now I am just trying to defend myself, not the transaction. I think that most people would give me the benefit of the doubt. I explained myself well, I haven't ever done this before and I am not a nuisance at all on these boards. Pretty sure Robert is the first person that I've ever upset on here. And our transgression should have stayed private. As I thought me asking of a favor was harmless as the end result would have been either a) Bobby tells me to 'pound sand' and I pay for the item or b) Bobby does me "a solid" and helps me out. Was going to be a) until all of this drama.

Hopefully this post isn't "weird".

nah this post is fine..glad no argument about paying a decent chunk more than VCP means has to be a mistake on a card thats hard to find centered which is centered...

i have had back and forths with robert as well..but you can see now that people jump in on threads no matter of what actually is presented on the thread..now you got a little taste.....

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I made a mistake. I owned up to it. I asked for a possibilty of understanding, from one collector/net54 member to another. "Altering" the auction implies that I did it on purpose. That is not true. I only asked for empathy. I didnt get it, so I moved on... But wait.... there's now a post about me, and another from members asking what was going on. Drama then incurs.

Now I am just trying to defend myself, not the transaction. I think that most people would give me the benefit of the doubt. I explained myself well, I haven't ever done this before and I am not a nuisance at all on these boards. Pretty sure Robert is the first person that I've ever upset on here. And our transgression should have stayed private. As I thought me asking of a favor was harmless as the end result would have been either a) Bobby tells me to 'pound sand' and I pay for the item or b) Bobby does me "a solid" and helps me out. Was going to be a) until all of this drama.

Hopefully this post isn't "weird".

LOL you mean our transaction, not our transgression, I presume.

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

LOL you mean our transaction, not our transgression, I presume.

Yes... haha. Just let be be a stereotypical math nerd and have incorrect grammar!

At least I was write, I mean right, on the "do me a solid" idiom.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

right..hes good at math but terrible at sniping

He made ONE MISTAKE. Good grief.