Taking a break from the hobby (and that is why I hate .99 cent auctions!)

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Post 10.

Not anymore. I hadn't had enough coffee and actually didn't even think about it until this morning when I got a PM from another member....but still didn't see the link . Sorry about that....

[bobbyw8469]

Sorry for all the drama. Some people think I like drama. I really don't. I am actually rather quiet and quite reserved. Thanks everyone for your support.

[bobbyw8469]

PS - I have always sold and delivered a card, no matter how.cheaply it sold for (case in point - the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams that sold for a song during EBay's problematic time). Is it too much to ask a winning buyer to honor his transaction? All the major auction houses have wordage in their catalogs even stating that they can't allow retractions. Since when did we get to be so carefree that cancelling bids and not honoring winning bids is now deemed acceptable practice?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

PS - I have always sold and delivered a card, no matter how.cheaply it sold for (case in point - the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams that sold for a song during EBay's problematic time). Is it too much to ask a winning buyer to honor his transaction? All the major auction houses have wordage in their catalogs even stating that they can't allow retractions. Since when did we get to be so carefree that cancelling bids and not honoring winning bids is now deemed acceptable practice?

He explained that he made a mistake. What's the point of forcing it down his throat if he doesn't want it at that price? I would think the vast majority of people here would just say ok whatever. I could be wrong of course.

[vintagetoppsguy]

One thing I've learned about this board. You can take two nearly identical situations and people's opinions will change based on who the board members are.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

One thing I've learned about this board. You can take two nearly identical situations and people's opinions will change based on who the board members are.

+1. You are an astute man David James! I have noticed that as well myself.

The card in question was a 1961 Topps Juan Marichal rookie card (PSA 6). As far as regular Topps issues go, this is one of the most off centered cards I know of (as well as the 1959 Bob Gibson). The winning buyer seemed to be quite hung up on VCP average and not wanting to get ripped off (which the average is around $66). Being a VCP member myself, I explained to him that all the cards selling for VCP average or less, are HORRENDOUSLY off centered, to the tune of 80/20 or worse, usually favoring the extreme left or right border. If you notice any of the cards selling for more than that, all of them are centered halfway decent. The selling prices range from $90-$105 for cards that are centered half-way decent. That being said, he overpaid by a whopping $9! Doesn't have to be 50/50, just better than the usual horrible ones I am seeing. The buyer didn't want to hear that. He thought $66 was gonna win it. I am not a fan of problematic auctions for the exact reasons two other members have stated. One of the underbidders is one of the premiere PSA graded card "flippers" on EBay. Do I want to risk alienating his future business (he bids on alot of my stuff) by letting him think that this particular auction was shilled?? Hell no! I will probably send him a 2nd chance anyway, and hope for the best, as I really hate starting over from scratch.

And yes, that was a valid question - does he really want to be blocked for overpaying by $9????? I block all non-paying bidders - I sure as hell will block one for doing what he is doing (which in my opinion is worse, because he should know better).

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

+1. You are an astute man David James! I have noticed that as well myself.

The card in question was a 1961 Topps Juan Marichal rookie card (PSA 6). As far as regular Topps issues go, this is one of the most off centered cards I know of (as well as the 1959 Bob Gibson). The winning buyer seemed to be quite hung up on VCP average and not wanting to get ripped off (which the average is around $66). Being a VCP member myself, I explained to him that all the cards selling for VCP average or less, are HORRENDOUSLY off centered, to the tune of 80/20 or worse, usually favoring the extreme left or right border. If you notice any of the cards selling for more than that, all of them are centered halfway decent. The selling prices range from $90-$105 for cards that are centered half-way decent. That being said, he overpaid by a whopping $9! Doesn't have to be 50/50, just better than the usual horrible ones I am seeing. The buyer didn't want to hear that. He thought $66 was gonna win it. I am not a fan of problematic auctions for the exact reasons two other members have stated. One of the underbidders is one of the premiere PSA graded card "flippers" on EBay. Do I want to risk alienating his future business (he bids on alot of my stuff) by letting him think that this particular auction was shilled?? Hell no! I will probably send him a 2nd chance anyway, and hope for the best, as I really hate starting over from scratch.

And yes, that was a valid question - does he really want to be blocked for overpaying by $9????? I block all non-paying bidders - I sure as hell will block one for doing what he is doing (which in my opinion is worse, because he should know better).

its funny its over 8 dollars! and its a clear obligation..yeah you can get out of it on a mistake but why go that route? Heck i have paid hundreds of dollars and followed through on a 'mistake' and bought the card and resold the card and taken a 10-20% loss which to me was better than not meeting my obligation...to me 9 dollars isnt worth it to cry to the seller etc (and yes i know there may be a diisagremetn of the exact amount difference) and even offer to pay the difference on a another auction...wait a week to pay 9 dollars? Plus if now buy the card at 'vcp' ..now im out the 9 dollars on the 'deal' i made plus the money spent for VCP...and its probably not as centered a card.....

Yes i know the bidder was willing to pay for the card if not released from the obligation, but i why not just pay it...save the 'favor' to be released from an obligation on a bigger type transaction...now this is on the record if something else comes up

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

PS - I have always sold and delivered a card, no matter how.cheaply it sold for (case in point - the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams that sold for a song during EBay's problematic time). Is it too much to ask a winning buyer to honor his transaction? All the major auction houses have wordage in their catalogs even stating that they can't allow retractions. Since when did we get to be so carefree that cancelling bids and not honoring winning bids is now deemed acceptable practice?

Why put yourself through the drama? I'm a seller on ebay, but have learned it's a buyer's playground, you play by their rules or else. The last time I tried to hold a guy to his bid by threatening to give him a NPB strike he paid and immediately gave me a negative. Not worth the hassle. Cancel the transaction and relist, it's healthier.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

PS - I have always sold and delivered a card, no matter how.cheaply it sold for (case in point - the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams that sold for a song during EBay's problematic time). Is it too much to ask a winning buyer to honor his transaction? All the major auction houses have wordage in their catalogs even stating that they can't allow retractions. Since when did we get to be so carefree that cancelling bids and not honoring winning bids is now deemed acceptable practice?

Though I don't agree with you basically running a BST thread on the main board, I agree with you that the buyer is obligated to pay.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ew.html#paying

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Though I don't agree with you basically running a BST thread on the main board, I agree with you that the buyer is obligated to pay.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/...ew.html#paying

Nobody including Steve himself is disputing the "obligation" to pay. The question is what is the right thing to do. Bob has the option to cancel the transaction and IMO that is what he should do.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Nobody including Steve himself is disputing the "obligation" to pay. The question is what is the right thing to do.

Well really most everyone is acting like it's a foregone conclusion that he should just forget it and move on. As David said, unfortunately it seems the reaction to this "drama" depends on who is on each side.

[bobbyw8469]

Agreed.....depending on the parties involved, you get different stories. I have asked the buyer to cancel the transaction. It will probably be relisted when I get my Clemente and Aaron rookie back from PSA, as I like to group all my rookies together. Hopefully it will do well the 2nd go round as well. I wish he had never "sniped" as it totally ruined the auction. It might also mess up my future dealings with the underbidders. I know you can change/cancel snipes up until the last 3 minutes. If he knew that he put in a $666 snipe, why didn't he just change or cancel it????????

[DBesse27]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

Sorry for all the drama. Some people think I like drama. I really don't. I am actually rather quiet and quite reserved. Thanks everyone for your support.

Thanks for the laugh!

Steve, on the other hand, is the most respectable man I have ever dealt with in this hobby. Sounds like he made an honest mistake and was asking for (not expecting) you to do him a solid.

Which you did, after injecting a large dose of drama. But you hate drama. I forgot.