Clemente

[asoriano]

Originally Posted by forazzurri2axz

none are funny imho

You're tough to please, Bill.

-bobcat

[pokerplyr80]

I'm surprised to see the Clemente RCs in PSA 8 currently sitting at about 15k and 20k higher than the 14 CJ Cobb also in a PSA 8. Am I the only one who thought that the Cobb was a much tougher and more valuable card in that grade, or any grade?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

I'm surprised to see the Clemente RCs in PSA 8 currently sitting at about 15k and 20k higher than the 14 CJ Cobb also in a PSA 8. Am I the only one who thought that the Cobb was a much tougher and more valuable card in that grade, or any grade?

It doesn't matter, the new money is chasing Clemente not CJs. If the CJ is real, then of course it blows away the Clemente, but welcome to Wall Street.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It doesn't matter, the new money is chasing Clemente not CJs. If the CJ is real, then of course it blows away the Clemente, but welcome to Wall Street.

Im assuming it's real. It would look pretty bad if PSA were to grade a fake 14 CJ an 8 and it ended up in a mile high auction.

[CW]

I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

I think at least some of the trickle down effect is inevitable, as people get priced out of 8s it increases demand for 7s, and so on.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by CW

I thought it was nuts when PSA 8s of the Clemente RC had recently boomed to the $33K range. Now we see two examples in Mile High sitting at $48K and $53K. I wonder if a similar uptick will be seen in PSA 7 examples. $12K+ might become the new norm for that card in NM condition.

With the premium those are at almost 60k and 65k. An 80% discount to move down one grade sounds like a bargain to me.

[CW]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

With the premium those are at almost 60k and 65k. An 80% discount to move down one grade sounds like a bargain to me.

I may have underestimated the NM level.

PSA 7 ends at $25,100!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Im assuming it's real. It would look pretty bad if PSA were to grade a fake 14 CJ an 8 and it ended up in a mile high auction.

Real as in unaltered. Or do you just accept on faith that all high grade cards in slabs are unaltered?

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Real as in unaltered. Or do you just accept on faith that all high grade cards in slabs are unaltered?

Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

Yes, absolutely, the flip and holder sanitize it. From the Wagner on down. The flip is its own commodity. So it goes.

[jmb]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Im sure there are high grade vintage cards in PSA holders that have alterations that were not detected. Hard to know for sure now but the fact that it's in the holder seems to be enough for the collectors and investors bidding on these types of cards.

Look at the middle picture of Ruth and enlarge it. There are at least 5 VISIBLE touch ups between his ear and his hand, along the bat. There's also one above the GG Co at the bottom left. Be careful out there.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-goudey-...oAAOSwB4NW0fus