1909 E90-1 Cy Young — Real/Fake

[steve B]

Possibly copied from this one?

http://goodwinandco.com/1909-e90-1-a...-lot24234.aspx

It appears to have the same misregistration, the same lower border break, and the same red alignment mark at the center top. But there's a small difference on the back.
Not that that's a lock, mass production being what it is there should be others that are nearly identical. But combined with the other stuff it's a pretty big red flag.

I found it by being lazy just like a reprinter would be, Google look at images, their large scans are probably just about good enough to print well.

Steve B

[Leon]

That looks like an exact hit to me. Look at the upper right border, in the white on the outside, on the edge. There is a telltale dark mark at the exact same place on both cards. At least that is what it seems to look like. Also, directly across, horizontally, is another telltale spot of white on the black border. Those things pointed out I am still not 100% on this as the areas don't match up perfectly (almost perfectly, but not perfectly, from the scans). I doubt I would take a chance on any of them without a return policy. But with one, buyers should be protected. One other thing that is in favor of it NOT being the same card as in Goodwin is the right border of the current one is thinner than the left border, and on the Goodwin one the right border is thicker than the left one.

Originally Posted by steve B

Possibly copied from this one?

http://goodwinandco.com/1909-e90-1-a...-lot24234.aspx

It appears to have the same misregistration, the same lower border break, and the same red alignment mark at the center top. But there's a small difference on the back.
Not that that's a lock, mass production being what it is there should be others that are nearly identical. But combined with the other stuff it's a pretty big red flag.

I found it by being lazy just like a reprinter would be, Google look at images, their large scans are probably just about good enough to print well.

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

Goodwin has the typical shading.

[Yoda]

I understand there are some very dodgy E90-1 Young - Boston football helmet variation cards that have hit the market. Apparently, they originated somewhere in Texas. Caveat Emptor, Baby

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I understand there are some very dodgy E90-1 Young - Boston football helmet variation cards that have hit the market. Apparently, they originated somewhere in Texas. Caveat Emptor, Baby

That's funny. Nice one, John.

As for the difference in the shading on various cards, I think some of it has to do with the scan or picture made....They almost all seem to have varying degrees of some shading and I think in person all of them might (I could be wrong). The scan in the holder below is from the auction I bought it from. The other scan is one I just made while typing this post . I have completely neutral settings on my scanner (pre-set I guess). In person the one I just scanned doesn't have as dark of shading as it has in in this scan. It seems darker on the screen than in hand. But my eyes are getting old too!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

The only thing worse than posting that card again is posting it TWICE again in the same post.

[chaddurbin]

i asked the seller for better pics, figuring if he doesn't reply then it's junk...but he did update his pics and it should be clear to anyone now the card is real as rain.

and peter, the shading is not the smoking gun on the young.

[Jobu]

+1

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The only thing worse than posting that card again is posting it TWICE again in the same post.

[CW]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The only thing worse than posting that card again is posting it TWICE again in the same post.

Well, give Leon some credit. He posted twice in this thread before even posting his card. I was amazed at the restraint!

[midmo]

Originally Posted by Yoda

I understand there are some very dodgy E90-1 Young - Boston football helmet variation cards that have hit the market. Apparently, they originated somewhere in Texas. Caveat Emptor, Baby

[Jobu]

Look at the misregistration at the shoulders, the Ebay card isn't a copy of the Goodwin card. The Ebay card has tilted misregistration that goes into the border on the left side and is further away from the border on the right than the Goodwin card. Pretty close though.

Peter - I don't know why some lack the background shading - I am definitely not an expert on E cards. I just know that one of the first few that I found, which was slabbed by PSA, also lacks it. I can say that I think the cards with the shading look much cooler.