T227 Series of Champions Enigma

[Beansballcardblog]

I just found this thread as I was searching about the Ralph Mulford on Google. Curious to find out how your project is coming along.

-Kin

Originally Posted by Marslife

Hey All!

I am working on a lifetime project to complete this set. The cards were issued with Honest Long Cut and Miners Extra, from what I read they were included in scrap or chewing tobacco pouches and that is why they are hard to find in good condition. Looks like they were issued in 1912.

the back of the cards show a series of 25 in the set however only 24 have been identified (checklist below). I saw on the non sports side there have been some ATC ledgers showing date of issue and checklists of some other non sports T card sets.

Has anyone seen the same for this set?

Any guesses as to whom the 25th card is or was supposed to be?

thanks for any assistance!

Cliff

1912 Honest Long Cut & Miners Extra Tobacco (T227) - Series of Champions (24)

CARD NO. CARD NAME SPORT
1 BRUCE BROWN AUTO RACING
2 RALPH MULFORD AUTO RACING
3 C.P. RODGERS (CALBRAITH) AVIATION
4 HOME RUN BAKER BASEBALL
5 CHIEF BENDER BASEBALL
6 TY COBB BASEBALL
7 RICHARD MARQUARD BASEBALL
8 ALFRED DE ORO BILLIARDS
9 WILLIE HOPPE BILLIARDS
10 ABE ATELL BOXING
11 JOHNNY COULON BOXING
12 JACK JOHNSON BOXING
13 FRANK KLAUS BOXING
14 AD. WOLGAST BOXING
15 HAROLD HILTON GOLF
16 JACK MCDERMOTT GOLF
17 ESS H. KAY HORSE RACING
18 UHLAN HORSE RACING
19 DIXIE V BOATING
20 BUDD GOODWIN SWIMMING
21 W.J. KRAMER TRACK & FIELD
22 MATT MCGRATH TRACK & FIELD
23 MELVIN SHEPPARD TRACK & FIELD
24 C. ZBYSZKO WRESTLING

[Yoda]

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

[Beansballcardblog]

When did you sell them? Based on context, I'm assuming before the "boom" in the prices of vintage graded sales over the last 2-3 years.

Originally Posted by Yoda

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

[Yoda]

Sold them in 2005 after I had moved to London and closed down Full Count. I consigned them to long-time friend Kevin Struss, who was then at Mastro's. where they were eventually auctioned off.

[Marslife]

Hey Kin,

thanks for the post, I am doing well on my set quest, now down to needing two cards:

CARD NO. CARD NAME SPORT
1 BRUCE BROWN AUTO RACING
3 C.P. RODGERS (CALBRAITH) AVIATION

These are hard to find. I'll be heading to the National to see if I can dig these up. If anyone has them and willing to sell, LET ME KNOW!

super set, scored a nice Cobby from a fellow member.

two more to go! no updates on the "missing" 25th card yet.

TTYL!

Cliff

[RCMcKenzie]

I have not seen a Rodgers or Brown offered for sale in the few years that I have followed the t227 set. I'm currently at 16/24

[rjackson44]

yoda don't feel bad we all have done crazy things ,,at least you can say you owned them at one time ,,,ive done some pretty crazy deals too .best octavio

[Beansballcardblog]

It's the card version of "better to have loved and lost than never loved at all."

Originally Posted by rjackson44

yoda don't feel bad we all have done crazy things ,,at least you can say you owned them at one time ,,,ive done some pretty crazy deals too .best octavio

[Exhibitman]

That is interesting re the two seeming SPs. I know that T220 silver border has a pair of notorious SPs, Mike Donovan Today and Jas. J. Corbett, and I've long thought that there was some sort of chase or price component to the shortage that has been lost to time. Perhaps the same is true of T227?

[Beansballcardblog]

Perhaps Bruce Brown bought up all of his copies???

Conspiracy theory and I'm sure incorrect...

I'm listening to a very old episode of "The Talk of Gasoline Alley" with Donald Davidson and he mentioned that when (David) Bruce-Brown's estate was settled in 1914 that he recalls it was worth about 1.3M.

That's a lot of money for 1912 (when he was killed in an accident).

Didn't know if some might like the little nugget of knowledge.

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

That is interesting re the two seeming SPs. I know that T220 silver border has a pair of notorious SPs, Mike Donovan Today and Jas. J. Corbett, and I've long thought that there was some sort of chase or price component to the shortage that has been lost to time. Perhaps the same is true of T227?

It appears, after seeing wvu's post (#31), that the shortage of the Brown and Rodgers cards could be attributable to their premature deaths. Rodgers was killed Apr 3, 1912, and Brown was killed Nov 1, 1912.


Steve

[Steve D]

Originally Posted by Yoda

Perhaps one of my saddest collecting days, although I didn't know it at the time, was when I sold my T227 Cobb PSA 6 for an embarrassing small amount, and if that wasn't bad enough I also sold the PSA 7 Baker, now up in the REA auction, for a likewise relative pittance. That card, I must say, is in a league of its own in such a condition sensitive issue not only among the 4 ballplayers but the entire set. Not sure if I am going to try to recapture it, but who knows.

I did the exact same thing with my Cobb in 1991. It would probably have graded a 1 or 2, but it had great eye-appeal. I've been looking for a replacement for several years now, but haven't been able to land it

Regarding the CP Rodgers card; I've been looking for one of them for several years also, as I collect aviator cards. I have yet to see even one card for sale anywhere.

Steve

[ezez420]

I was fortunate enough to get the Brown in a collection and Rodgers in a trade with HLC backs. The other Rodgers I know about is an HLC. However, I do not know if there is a Miners Extra Brown and Rodgers that exist.

[Beansballcardblog]

It's definitely disconcerting to find that the Brown is so difficult to find and that y'all need it for the set. It's one of only two cards in the set I want to acquire and it's now obvious that if/when one comes available, it's going to go for much more than any of us would like to pay.

Originally Posted by ezez420

I was fortunate enough to get the Brown in a collection and Rodgers in a trade with HLC backs. The other Rodgers I know about is an HLC. However, I do not know if there is a Miners Extra Brown and Rodgers that exist.

[iowadoc77]

Hey Leon, I like your Cobb. Matches mine quite nicely. From the national last year from Roger Burns. Purchased 5 minutes after I had thrown my hands up and given up on finding one of these.

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