T206 350/460 series (illustrated) and why certain T-brands are mutually-exclusive

[ajjohnsonsoxfan]

As a novice collector of T206, I'm utterly confused with all the back variations. Maybe my brain is fried end of week but reading above is like reading chinese. Lol

[sreader3]

Hi Ted,
Great work on these 350/460s. The bifurcation between regular prints and super prints was in need of further explication and you and others have taken the next steps by showing these mutual exclusivities among the entire 350/460 group. I'll be thinking about what you have posted here and provide thoughts publicly or privately.
Scot

[Leon]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Ted,
Great work on these 350/460s. The bifurcation between regular prints and super prints was in need of further explication and you and others have taken the next steps by showing these mutual exclusivities among the entire 350/460 group. I'll be thinking about what you have posted here and provide thoughts publicly or privately.
Scot

Thanks to all who share with the hobby. Would like to hear your thoughts, Scot, on Ted's findings.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Hi Ted,
Great work on these 350/460s. The bifurcation between regular prints and super prints was in need of further explication and you and others have taken the next steps by showing these mutual exclusivities among the entire 350/460 group. I'll be thinking about what you have posted here and provide thoughts publicly or privately.
Scot

Hi Scot

You & I have talked about these 350/460 factors in the past. I thought it would be less complicated for new collectors to the T206 game, by illustrating with scans of these 63 subjects.

I look forward to your inputs.

Thanks,

TED Z
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[Pilot172000]

Ted

You need to gather all of your T206 threads and put them in book form. I'm down for at least three copies.

[sreader3]

Leon -- thanks for the words of encouragement.

Ted -- for starters, can you remind me of the history behind you having Ames as a AB460 no-print whereas Tim and Jim list him as confirmed? (If there is a history, that is).

Thanks.

[sreader3]

Also, a question for Ted and Adam:

Does Bergen Catching exist with P42, in your view?

How about Chance Batting?

Reason I ask is there are groups of 28 and 12 that keep popping up and without these 2 I count 11 460-only subjects confirmed with P42. (Not counting Kleinow Boston or Smith Chicago and Boston as 460-only)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Leon -- thanks for the words of encouragement.

Ted -- for starters, can you remind me of the history behind you having Ames as a AB460 no-print whereas Tim and Jim list him as confirmed? (If there is a history, that is).

Thanks.

Scot

OK, here's the history regarding the Ames (hands above head) card......
Approx. 10 years ago, when Bill Brown created his "super-set" Excel diagram, Tom Botticelli inputted to Bill the Ames (hands above head) card with an AB 460 back.

During that time period, I ran a long-term survey on AB 460 cards (since, I was working on completing an AB 460 run). And in 2010, I posted my AB 460 survey on
Net54 which included Ames as confirmed with this back (even though I questioned it)..

In Dec 2011 when "T206resource" was posted on Net54, Ames was on their list of confirmed AB 460 cards. I strongly doubt that they found such a card (most likely
they copied my list).

In 10 years of collecting AB 460 cards, I've never seen an Ames / AB 460 card. Furthermore, David Hall (whose master T206 set approaches 5000 cards, has never
seen this Ames.

As far as I'm concerned (as indicated in my 1st post in this thread) the fact that this Ames card has recently been verified with the SWEET CAP 460 Factory#42 back
absolutely verifies that this Ames card will NEVER be found with an AB 460 back. The AB 460 backs and the SC 460 (Factory #42) backs are mutually exclusive.

I fully expect that Ames (hands above head) will eventually be found with the red HINDU back.

That's my story, my good friend.


TED Z
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[VintageJay]

Originally Posted by Pilot172000

Ted

You need to gather all of your T206 threads and put them in book form. I'm down for at least three copies.

I agree! Thanks for all your tremendous research!

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by sreader3

Also, a question for Ted and Adam:

Does Bergen Catching exist with P42, in your view?

How about Chance Batting?

Reason I ask is there are groups of 28 and 12 that keep popping up and without these 2 I count 11 460-only subjects confirmed with P42. (Not counting Kleinow Boston or Smith Chicago and Boston as 460-only)

Scot

Here is what my records (dating back to 2006) indicate regarding Bergen and Chance with " PIEDMONT 460, Factory #42 " ......

Bergen (catching) ....... Brian Weisner reported this one, circa 2008

Chance (batting) ...... I have never seen this card. Also, David Hall has yet to see this card.

Back in Sept 2006....there was a thread posted regarding a Chance with a P 460/42 back on ebay. It was the Yellow portrait version of Chance.
And, I think as the years have transpired since then, this particular card has "morphed" into the Batting version in some peoples' minds.


TED Z
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