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[oasis9381]

I agree with Mickey on the Murphy. Also, the David Thompson Nuggets jersey appears to be the same jersey that is listed by Hoop-style.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Thomps..._qi=RTM2247625
Comparing the jersey itself to game shots lead me to believe this jersey is custom.

The spacing of the "3"'s are both too high compared to "DENVER" and too close together. The cutout portion of the "e" also seem too large compared to game shot. Additionally the middle section of the "3" comes out too far on the AH jersey. It extends past were the top and bottom portions of the "3" curve down and up. Also a quick observation of the condition of lettering and numbering seems too crisp. Having held in person many jerseys from this era which would have seen a lot of use and laundering you would tend to see much more fraying around edges and wrinkling within the letters and numbers. The Rockets Murphy is also super crisp!

[mickeymao34]

Jeff, once again great eye! I wonder how many of these Hoopstyle jerseys reside in collections that the collector believe to be the real thing . It would be interesting, but tedious , to review AH catalogs and see how many of these jerseys appear as game worn lots. For some reason he favors the Rockets as team of choice for creations. I would guess because he fell into an abundance of Rocket blanks. Also there always seems to be a David Tnompson jersey appear in every other auction. As does Dan Issel and Alex English.

[WindyCityGameUsed]

IMO overstated authenticity and/or outright created/fake is the biggest issue industry wide stifling new blood into the hobby while hurting values for legitimate items across the board. The existing shill bidding problem is a pimple on the hobby’s backside in comparison.

Unfortunately this is a losing battle on all fronts with the biggest being $$$ = influence and speaking out about scams is somehow viewed as worse than the actual scam within the industry cause IMO it breaks the code of silence which will not be tolerated.

[bnorth]

From personal experience. I recently bought a bat from Mears. When I seen the listing and when I placed my bid the auction description was "game used professional model". Then once the auction ended the description changed and "game used" was no longer included in the item description or on the LOA that came with the bat, now it is a "professional Model".

I was going to take before and after pictures of several listings in their current auction to see if it was an isolated incident but decided against it because nobody would care anyway.

The really sad and pathetic part is it was not even a high end item that being "game used" would have mattered that much in the final price like it does on most items.

It was my one and only time bidding with an auction house and probably my last.

[mickeymao34]

Originally Posted by bnorth

From personal experience. I recently bought a bat from Mears. When I seen the listing and when I placed my bid the auction description was "game used professional model". Then once the auction ended the description changed and "game used" was no longer included in the item description or on the LOA that came with the bat, now it is a "professional Model".

I was going to take before and after pictures of several listings in their current auction to see if it was an isolated incident but decided against it because nobody would care anyway.

The really sad and pathetic part is it was not even a high end item that being "game used" would have mattered that much in the final price like it does on most items.

It was my one and only time bidding with an auction house and probably my last.

Ben, thanks for posting this. I think it holds merit whether its a small valued lot or not! Speaks volumes about the integrity and honesty of a company. If a company is wiling to go this far for a lower value item, think about what they would do to justify a high dollar item.

[mickeymao34]

Originally Posted by WindyCityGameUsed

IMO overstated authenticity and/or outright created/fake is the biggest issue industry wide stifling new blood into the hobby while hurting values for legitimate items across the board. The existing shill bidding problem is a pimple on the hobby’s backside in comparison.

Unfortunately this is a losing battle on all fronts with the biggest being $$$ = influence and speaking out about scams is somehow viewed as worse than the actual scam within the industry cause IMO it breaks the code of silence which will not be tolerated.

Ron, Excellent point.A true Open forums should be ABOUT these things that SHOULD not be discussed. IMO speaking out puts a target on your back to be discredited. All these AHs love to preach about transparency and honesty but I believe the opposite is true. They don't like it and they follow they're saltiness with threats of law suits. They will go out of they're way to make you look like the BAD guy that is harboring ill feelings for the AH in question. I don't see why an item cannot be discussed, after all it is out for the public to view and to be deemed worthy to bid or not to bid. An open forum about memorabilia should be just that-a forum to discuss one's opinion of any item without the backlash.

[mickeymao34]

Originally Posted by WindyCityGameUsed

IMO overstated authenticity and/or outright created/fake is the biggest issue industry wide stifling new blood into the hobby while hurting values for legitimate items across the board. The existing shill bidding problem is a pimple on the hobby’s backside in comparison.

Unfortunately this is a losing battle on all fronts with the biggest being $$$ = influence and speaking out about scams is somehow viewed as worse than the actual scam within the industry cause IMO it breaks the code of silence which will not be tolerated.

Ron, one more thing. I'm sure these AHs put a lot of pressure on forum site owners. Place yourself in forum site owners, how would you like to get 20-30 calls a day to take action? Not defending these guys but you got to feel for these forum site owners. I'm sure it takes a toll on them. And I think that suspensions and banning for speaking on pertinent topics are really uncalled for. But it does happen on other sites.

[mickeymao34]

Originally Posted by oasis9381

I agree with Mickey on the Murphy. Also, the David Thompson Nuggets jersey appears to be the same jersey that is listed by Hoop-style.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/David-Thomps..._qi=RTM2247625
Comparing the jersey itself to game shots lead me to believe this jersey is custom.

The spacing of the "3"'s are both too high compared to "DENVER" and too close together. The cutout portion of the "e" also seem too large compared to game shot. Additionally the middle section of the "3" comes out too far on the AH jersey. It extends past were the top and bottom portions of the "3" curve down and up. Also a quick observation of the condition of lettering and numbering seems too crisp. Having held in person many jerseys from this era which would have seen a lot of use and laundering you would tend to see much more fraying around edges and wrinkling within the letters and numbers. The Rockets Murphy is also super crisp!

Jeff, there exist the notion that common players are rarely if ever faked. I have been asked the question "why the heck would anyone fake a common lowly player? " many many times from customizers. Seriously that is this guy's MO for sure! So the notion that no one would create a common player b/c there is no money to be made on common players is all BS.