Walter Johnson 1907 Postcard--Wow!

Vintageclout · #1 03-30-2016, 09:01 AM

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Due to the 1907 postage stamp, this card has ZERO ambiguity with regard to its 1907 origin. Not surprised at all with the price, and I firmly believe its new owner got a great deal in lieu of that March 1907 stamp.

JoeT.[/QUOTE

So the consensus seems to be that 24K was a good deal for the buyer. I must be out of the loop on postcards, that seems like a lot to me, even for such a great card. How many postcards have gone that high, and what are some comparables?

Hi Hank its JoeT and I hope all is well with you. Considering that for years, there has been ZERO resolution with regard to the specific release date of the various Walter Johnson Weiser Wonder post cards (other than the one found with a 1910 postage stamp), this 1907 stamped one is HUGE! It now irrefutably resides as the "Big Train's" earliest known card via its 1907 stamp, and I firmly believe it would have achieved an even higher figure in a major auction. As you know Hank, any level of "ambiguity" is a collector's worst nightmare, and this Weiser Johnson now stands as the TRUE earliest known Johnson cardboard collectible in the hobby...Wow!

As always, best regards,
Joe

Hankphenom · #2 03-30-2016, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Hi Hank its JoeT and I hope all is well with you. Considering that for years, there has been ZERO resolution with regard to the specific release date of the various Walter Johnson Weiser Wonder post cards (other than the one found with a 1910 postage stamp), this 1907 stamped one is HUGE! It now irrefutably resides as the "Big Train's" earliest known card via its 1907 stamp, and I firmly believe it would have achieved an even higher figure in a major auction. As you know Hank, any level of "ambiguity" is a collector's worst nightmare, and this Weiser Johnson now stands as the TRUE earliest known Johnson cardboard collectible in the hobby...Wow!

As always, best regards,
Joe

Hey Joe,
I'm not arguing with you at all, in fact I would accept your opinion more than just about anyone I can think of, certainly more than mine on vintage high-end stuff. Maybe a dealer did buy it, and we'll see it again in an auction. It would be interesting to know where 24K ranks for a non-signed postcard.
Look forward to seeing you in A.C.
Hank

GasHouseGang · #3 03-30-2016, 11:01 AM

I feel we should show copies of what was sold on Ebay, or soon the listing will disappear along with the pictures of what was sold. So, for those who follow this thread later and wonder who all these people named Archive are, here are pictures of the front and back of the postcard sold on March 23, 2016 for $23,557.98.

bcbgcbrcb · #4 03-30-2016, 11:35 AM

Just playing devil's advocate here but haven't we questioned the authenticity of some news service stamps on the back of vintage baseball photos before? Does the same possibility exist for a postmark stamp on a vintage baseball postcard?

I wonder if we can track back any previous sales/auctions for this exact postcard based on condition details where back scans are available to ensure that the date stamp appears on previous sale(s) as well?

ramram · #5 03-30-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Just playing devil's advocate here but haven't we questioned the authenticity of some news service stamps on the back of vintage baseball photos before? Does the same possibility exist for a postmark stamp on a vintage baseball postcard?

I wonder if we can track back any previous sales/auctions for this exact postcard based on condition details where back scans are available to ensure that the date stamp appears on previous sale(s) as well?

Well, I'm not much of one for conspiracy theories but, let's run with that a minute. Does anybody else see the horizontal line above the postage stamp and the vertical mark just to the right of it that look like dirt or smudges? Kind of look like the rough edges of an old stamp? Also, how come the stamp marks, the ones that run slightly upward and to the right, in several places on the postage stamp don't run off the stamp anywhere (I'm not talking about the circle date stamp)? Especially the one at the very top.

stamp.jpg

Rob M.

shernan30 · #6 03-30-2016, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ramram

Well, I'm not much of one for conspiracy theories but, let's run with that a minute. Does anybody else see the horizontal line above the postage stamp and the vertical mark just to the right of it that look like dirt or smudges? Kind of look like the rough edges of an old stamp? Also, how come the stamp marks, the ones that run slightly upward and to the right, in several places on the postage stamp don't run off the stamp anywhere (I'm not talking about the circle date stamp)? Especially the one at the very top.

Rob M.

Interesting

I see what you are talking about. Its almost like a canceled stamp was used.

h2oya311 · #7 03-30-2016, 12:06 PM

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Interesting

I see what you are talking about. Its almost like a canceled stamp was used.

I was thinking the same thing.

I feel like we always have conspiracy theories on this website w/r/t awesome items, but I must admit, I'm hesitant to say with 100% confidence that this was indeed postmarked in 1907.

ramram · #8 03-30-2016, 12:11 PM

Aren't those circle date stamps available out there on the internet? Somebody can put any location and date on it and then stamp the postcard?

Somebody could pull the old stamp off of the post card and then place an appropriate 1907 postage stamp from another postally used item onto this postcard? Would that possibly explain why the marks don't run off of the stamp? There also look like a few other stamp marks on the right side of the postage stamp that don't run off onto the postcard. Just sayin.

Wish there was a better photo of this area -
stamp 2.jpg

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