Willie Mays Conspiracy Theory

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by jimjim

Can you please explain?

There are also a ton of Jeter forgeries with Steiner holograms and the sellers NEVER have the Steiner cert card.

[jimjim]

I wonder if that is why Steiner has changed their hologram sticker that now has a serial number on it.

[RichardSimon]

Reading the thread on the other site the one thing I find most amusing/interesting is that these questionable Willie Mays autographs originate in Florida. What an amazing coincidence.
What once was the Sunshine State is now the state with a VERY dark cloud over it, for multiple reasons.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Reading the thread on the other site the one thing I find most amusing/interesting is that these questionable Willie Mays autographs originate in Florida. What an amazing coincidence.
What once was the Sunshine State is now the state with a VERY dark cloud over it, for multiple reasons.

+100

All of that GFA-certed crap (both the machine-produced and hand-penned forgeries) originate from Florida.

[jimjim]

So are the TPAs just denying anything with a Willie Mays say hey hologram on it? That would be unfortunate, as the company was once legitimate on the not too distant past. I have a couple of items with a say hey hologram on them.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jimjim

So are the TPAs just denying anything with a Willie Mays say hey hologram on it? That would be unfortunate, as the company was once legitimate on the not too distant past. I have a couple of items with a say hey hologram on them.

From my reading, of the Autograph Magazine thread, it appears that PAAS was denying the hologram autographs and JSA and PSA were authenticating them.
Please correct me if I missed something.

[Klrdds]

Let's face it fellow autograph collectors after the aging paper and ink techniques appeared mainstream 75-80 years ago and then laser printers and good quality photographic reproduction techniques and products appeared and then fake LOAs appeared and then substiting items in cases started wouldn't the next natural evolutionary step in autograph forgery be a counterfeit / copied hologram . Should we really be surprised that this is now occurring ?
Autographs have been forged for how many years 100-200 going back to Presidential and Royalty signatures ?
As in so many cases the criminal will always find a way to evolve in order to sell their products and in most cases are already planning their next foray into the hobby despite our best efforts to stop them .
You can't wipe out forgers in our hobby any more than you can rid the world of rats or roaches....they adapt and continue despite our best efforts .
Be vigilant and educate yourselves is still the best advice .

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

There are also a ton of Jeter forgeries with Steiner holograms and the sellers NEVER have the Steiner cert card.

AH, a whole new branch of the industry has opened up. The hologram forger.
How nice of them to share their skills with the rest of us.
I am waiting for an auction on ebay to appear offering these holograms.
"Create your own fakes, Opening Bid $9.99."