How would you rank these pitchers?

[jason.1969]

Also picking Marichal, Perry, Niekro.

As an aside, I got out my HOF cards from the 60s and early 70s and tried to make two teams, AL vs NL.

The stack of NL pitchers was gigantic...Seaver, Koufax, Drysdale, Ryan, Niekro, Gibson, Perry, Spahn, Jenkins, Sutton, Carlton, ...

The AL stack had Ford, Fingers, Wilhelm, and Palmer.

Any theories why the NL had so many more aces?

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[brian1961]

While working my shift, a thought flashed through my memory on Mr. Perry. Two of Gaylord's best years were 1966 and 1972. If memory serves, during BOTH years, Perry had extraordinary seasons going into the All-Star break. I checked SABR and sure enough, my memory did not deceive. In 1966, his SABR feature article said he was 12-1 at the All-Star break and 20-2 on August 20th----WOW! Gaylord was as hot as an old steel playground slide on a 100-degree cloudless July afternoon. Virtually unbeatable.

As for 1972, Gaylord's SABR feature reported that baseball historian extraordinaire Bill James said Gaylord's 1972 season was the best by an American League pitcher since Lefty Grove in 1931! Furthermore, in '72 Gaylord toed the slab long and hard for the fifth place Cleveland Indians, who only scored an average of 3.0 runs per game. Perry was something else.

Then, in each of those years after the break, actually about late August, he seemed to lose something. His great records began crumbling; not to smithereens, just nowhere near what they looked like they were going to be. Too bad. What happened on those occasions? Anyone remember?

Ya got me. Maybe he suffered from an advanced case of dry mouth. Hey guys, that's nothing to spit at, in more ways than one!

----Brian Powell

[Vintagevault13]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Also picking Marichal, Perry, Niekro.

As an aside, I got out my HOF cards from the 60s and early 70s and tried to make two teams, AL vs NL.

The stack of NL pitchers was gigantic...Seaver, Koufax, Drysdale, Ryan, Niekro, Gibson, Perry, Spahn, Jenkins, Sutton, Carlton, ...

The AL stack had Ford, Fingers, Wilhelm, and Palmer.

Any theories why the NL had so many more aces?

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This fact is one of the reasons why I argue that Aaron should get more credit when compared to his AL counterparts. Nothing against Mantle et al, but the pitching was simply much stronger in the NL, especially in the 1960's.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by jason.1969

Also picking Marichal, Perry, Niekro.

As an aside, I got out my HOF cards from the 60s and early 70s and tried to make two teams, AL vs NL.

The stack of NL pitchers was gigantic...Seaver, Koufax, Drysdale, Ryan, Niekro, Gibson, Perry, Spahn, Jenkins, Sutton, Carlton, ...

The AL stack had Ford, Fingers, Wilhelm, and Palmer.

Any theories why the NL had so many more aces?

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Same deal on hitters. Mays Aaron Clemente Banks McCovey Musial (first few years) Snider (same) Stargell B Williams Brock Mathews Cepeda Rose seems a lot more than. Mantle Kaline Yaz Killebrew and Brooks with F Robinson spilt. Forgot some maybe. On pitchers, AL side, you forgot Catfish.