Anyone watching probstein auctions

[cammb]

Originally Posted by glynparson

A laugh ? How it is well documented that many early sgc graded cards during the merkle era were not judged harshly at all in fact when I worked at sgc it was not a guarantee that cards graded during the merkle regime would be regraded with the same grade as many were outside the tolerance not sure exactly what you meant but your wrong if you were disagreeing with me. It is honestly not just merkle era grades either as it is often discussed throughout the industry how sgc is not as strict on centering.It is well within the 70-30 PSA says it can be and still get an 8 ( I agree you seldom see a 70-30 card in an 8): PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

I don't when the "Merkle era" was nor do I care. I am talking about today's grading. I don' buy the holder, but the card. My experience leads me to SGC. I have been burned too many times by the sub standard grading at PSA. I intentionally buy PSA cards only to break them out and resubmit to SGC where they usually receive at least half grade lower. Again that's my experience.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by cammb

I don't when the "Merkle era" was nor do I care. I am talking about today's grading. I don' buy the holder, but the card. My experience leads me to SGC. I have been burned too many times by the sub standard grading at PSA. I intentionally buy PSA cards only to break them out and resubmit to SGC where they usually receive at least half grade lower. Again that's my experience.

I completely disagree. In my opinion PSA is much stricter these days.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I completely disagree. In my opinion PSA is much stricter these days.

It really depends on the "problem" with the card. They grade cards very differently.

I say problem because that is really all they do is point out the problems on with a card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by bnorth

It really depends on the "problem" with the card. They grade cards very differently.

I say problem because that is really all they do is point out the problems on with a card.

Fair enough but I was talking about corner wear and centering. There are numerous SGC 8s that would get 7s and SGC 7s that would get 6s; at those grades the problems are corners and centering.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Why anyone would send their cards to a company that cant tell the difference between Karl Malden and Karl Malone is beyond me. Thats just plain dumb!

[Rookiemonster]

Before i joined this forum I had no idea that other collectors did not see bgs, psa , sgc in the same light as collectors I know .l I would never switch my cards from BGS or psa to SGC . The price for a psa and sgc card in the same grade can be staggering . Let along to get a lower grade from sgc .

[GregMitch34]

Until recently, I tended to favor buying SGC cards--since the look is so important for me. But the pricing differential with PSA has only grown and so now I've given up. I will still buy SGC for pre-1900 cards and a few scattered others but otherwise it makes no sense at all, sorry to say. People argue here on and on about which company is stricter, or more fair, or has better service, etc., but it seems that the people have spoken--for whatever reason, they see PSA grades as far more credible, right or wrong.

Although always interesting to ask: exactly WHY?

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Why anyone would send their cards to a company that cant tell the difference between Karl Malden and Karl Malone is beyond me. Thats just plain dumb!

I can't get the thought of a Karl Malden basketball card out of my head now.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by cammb

I don't when the "Merkle era" was nor do I care. I am talking about today's grading. I don' buy the holder, but the card. My experience leads me to SGC. I have been burned too many times by the sub standard grading at PSA. I intentionally buy PSA cards only to break them out and resubmit to SGC where they usually receive at least half grade lower. Again that's my experience.

That doesn't seem like an economically sound strategy as SGC cards typically sell at substantially lower prices than the same card in an equivalent PSA holder.

[cammb]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

That doesn't seem like an economically sound strategy as SGC cards typically sell at substantially lower prices than the same card in an equivalent PSA holder.

There is no strategy. There happens to be many more psa commons that I need than sgc. I collect sgc 80 or better. I have tried numerous times , without much success, to crossover to sgc and always being met with "does not minimum grade requested". So I buy psa one grade higher.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by cammb

There is no strategy. There happens to be many more psa commons that I need than sgc. I collect sgc 80 or better. I have tried numerous times , without much success, to crossover to sgc and always being met with "does not minimum grade requested". So I buy psa one grade higher.

Fair enough of you're happy with what you end up with that is all that matters. For the cards I collect if I paid the PSA price and sent it to SGC for a 1/2 point deduction, or even the same grade, I would take a big hit.

[Rookiemonster]

These auctions end tonight ! Can't wait to see were some of these end . The 1951 Mays is already over 46,000

[1952boyntoncollector]

54' topps Mays psa 9 at 10k now as well...

the 1954s psa 8+s have really taken off

[Rookiemonster]

For anybody who didn't watch . The willie Mays rookie went for 51,875 .

But a psa 10 1959 Willie Mays sold for 75,375 😵