This is disgusting and sad

[ooo-ribay]

That card is a) ridiculous and b) probably fake.

[mrmopar]

I'm sure this has been discussed in detail, but there are some positives to doing this, along with the obvious negatives. Assuming it is a real jersey, the number one plus is it can give the average budget collector a chance at getting a piece of history. Of course, once it is pulled, then you have to have the big bucks to buy the premium pieces, but nothing near what a full uniform would cost.

I have what I would considered at this point to be a small collection of GU cards. Aside from the handful I have pulled from packs, I bought a number of them (usually fairly cheaply) of favorite or better players, mostly Dodgers or stars, at one time trying to get as many unique players as I could. This was not a primary goal, so I never got too far on the project.

Except for a few cooler looking pieces and my Garveys, which are part of the large collection, I don't really hold them in high regard. They have become so commonplace that many can't help but question their authenticity yet the more unique the object (especially premium items like patches, barrels, buttons) and uncommon players from the old days bring big money from collectors who are going after those bragging rights to have the only (or one of a half dozen or less) McGraw button card or similar.

To each their own I guess, but I would never shell out that kind of money for a button, regardless of who's uniform it came from.

[Nashvol]

What mrmopar said. Hard to judge without knowing the story on the uniform/jersey. Perhaps it IS genuine but its quality is "disgusting and sad" and this brings new life to it in this way.

The same argument has been made about cutting up Reach and Spaulding guides and selling off the images; maybe the quality of the publication was not so good.

Another point: what one collects is usually determined by whether someone wants it and by what he/she will pay, and not always by whether the item is genuine or not nor whether there is opportunity to salvage its existence.

In many cases, a button would fall into a budget better than a full uniform...

[esd10]

The problem if real john mcgraw uniforms are not a dime a dozen like say clemente jerseys and these card companies are destroying history to sell a product.

[khkco4bls]

If they are real there is no upside in any way you look at it. It makes me sick that they would even think of cutting up something like that

[UnVme7]

Originally Posted by esd10

The problem if real john mcgraw uniforms are not a dime a dozen like say clemente jerseys and these card companies are destroying history to sell a product.

I think I know what you mean, but Clemente's aren't exactly hanging in every collectors closet.

[bnorth]

For me the worst part of the game used stuff is most of a jersey(or any item) they cut up is just a plain 1 color item. Even if real to begin with, scammers pull out that plain piece and replace it with a multi colored piece from something that was definitely not from that player. Single color pieces sell but those cool looking multi color pieces pull a big premium.

[WillowGrove]

I don't know anything about modern cards but two things come to mind. Is there any news/PR done by the company producing the card announcing their acquisition of the McGraw uniform? Is there video of them cutting it up?

If I ran a card company and had a real McGraw uniform that I was including in packs, I'd want to build up the anticipation and the back story as much as possible.


Side question...is there a past sale (s) on this uniform from the big AH's? Where did it come from?

Thanks for any thoughts.

[hcv123]

Originally Posted by esd10

The problem if real john mcgraw uniforms are not a dime a dozen like say clemente jerseys and these card companies are destroying history to sell a product.

Can you find me a dozen Clemente jersey's? Okay, Okay - I'll double it - 2 dimes

[Ron]

Instead of cutting up a jersey why not print up cards to add to packs that you can pull that gives you a 1 in 300 or whatever chance of winning the actual jersey. If you pull one of these cards you have to send it into the card company and at a certain time they add all the 300 cards to a drum and spin the drum to mix all cards and then a neutral party closes eyes and pulls one card from drum and that is the winner of the jersey or bat or ?? I would rather have a small chance of a jersey or bat than a small piece of a jersey or bat. I do not collect cards so maybe they have done this in the past

[esd10]

Originally Posted by Ron

Instead of cutting up a jersey why not print up cards to add to packs that you can pull that gives you a 1 in 300 or whatever chance of winning the actual jersey. If you pull one of these cards you have to send it into the card company and at a certain time they add all the 300 cards to a drum and spin the drum to mix all cards and then a neutral party closes eyes and pulls one card from drum and that is the winner of the jersey or bat or ?? I would rather have a small chance of a jersey or bat than a small piece of a jersey or bat. I do not collect cards so maybe they have done this in the past

That is a great idea and they could do the same with the cut signature instead of cutting up a letter, contract and checks send the whole thing as a redemption.

[mrmopar]

UD did that a few years back. Wonder where that stuff ended up? Presumably it was won by average budget collectors who either won the lottery of a lifetime for their collection or they flipped it for some big cash to a deep pocketed collector.

Originally Posted by Ron

Instead of cutting up a jersey why not print up cards to add to packs that you can pull that gives you a 1 in 300 or whatever chance of winning the actual jersey. If you pull one of these cards you have to send it into the card company and at a certain time they add all the 300 cards to a drum and spin the drum to mix all cards and then a neutral party closes eyes and pulls one card from drum and that is the winner of the jersey or bat or ?? I would rather have a small chance of a jersey or bat than a small piece of a jersey or bat. I do not collect cards so maybe they have done this in the past

[esd10]

Originally Posted by hcv123

Can you find me a dozen Clemente jersey's? Okay, Okay - I'll double it - 2 dimes

What I meant was compared to a john mcgraw jersey roberto clemente is a lot more common to be had.