ebay return shipping & t206 length opinions please

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by caramelcard

Hi Tony,

Short doesn't mean trimmed. T206 sizes vary.

It doesn't look trimmed to me, but I can't tell from a scan unless it's blatant.

If I sold a card on ebay that I made a mistake on then I would pay return shipping.

Sometimes people buy cards from me (graded or not) and they decide when they get it that they just don't want it anymore. In this situation, I would much prefer that they pay return shipping. Most don't want to of course.

I believe as a seller you can dictate in your description if you want the buyer to pay return shipping or if you'll pay for it as the seller.

Ebay rules change hourly so it's hard to keep up with.

Rob

Thanks Rob,

Believe me, the ONLY reason I wouldn't want it is if I believe it to be trimmed.
The edges don't look to be trimmed to me either. It's just sooo short compared to others.

I appreciate your input ... it means a lot.




Tony

[Luke]

Tony,

I didn't mean that calling a card "poor" means that the card could be trimmed. I just meant that if a seller is providing a scan and saying that the card is in poor condition, I feel like they are dealing in good faith and not trying to hide anything. That is much different to me than sellers who list a trimmed card as EX+, which seems to be happening a lot these days.

I agree with Rob that it doesn't really look trimmed to me. A scan of the front could help, but so far the corner wear looks pretty even to me. I think if I had sold that card, it wouldn't have occurred to me to call it trimmed.

I am not an expert on Sov460s, but there are some cards that tend to be cut smaller from the factory. A lot of Old Mills from the 350 series for instance can have pretty small borders, and they came that way from the factory.

[T206Collector]

You should not judge a T206 as trimmed by the length alone. And, in this case, I don't think the card is trimmed. The best way to tell is to hold the card flat at eye-level, and compare the edges. On a trimmed card, all of the edges will not look the same. You should see the remnants of striations from the factory cut on all sides on a clean unaltered card. If it's trimmed, one edge will look a bit whiter and more uniform in texture.

I used to freak out about small T206s until I learned about this grading technique in an old issue of SGC Magazine. Works like a charm!

Enjoy the card!

[iwantitiwinit]

It's a raw card, in my opinion anyone purchasing a raw card is taking a chance. Clear from looking at the image that it's trimmed. I'd say there's no free lunch you get what you pay for and the seller says its in poor/fair condition. Someone tells me its in poor condition I think its just common sense that there are issues with the card and it being rimmed is one of the possibilities.

[kmac32]

If you do not care one way or the other, keep the card. Not worth the stress either way in my opinion.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by kmac32

Not worth the stress either way in my opinion.

There is no stress,

I simply wanted some discussion on the nature of t206's regarding their variation in length from the factory (thanks Luke, Rob, and Paul for chiming in on that)

and also the "pay for return shipping" thingy. I agree with most all sentiments stated on that topic.


One thing I do feel strongly about though is: I do not believe a description of "poor" should include the possibility that it could be trimmed. Those are two totally separate items in my mind. The seller DID provide good scans which I studied prior to purchase and did not see anything that made me think it was in any way altered. However, he didn't mention the fact that it is noticeably shorter than other t206's. That can't be determined by looking at an individual card no matter how good the scans.

I do however agree with Luke (I think Luke said this) and now believe it was an honest mistake to overlook the short length and not mention it in the listing. One that I could very easily make myself.

After considering Luke Paul and Rob's responses, I no longer think it is a slam dunk based on it's length that it has been altered and I decided to keep the card.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

IClear from looking at the image that it's trimmed.

Others have stated that it doesn't look trimmed. I tend to agree. What are you seeing that's not "clear" to us? Top border? Bottom border? On what do you base your assessment?

[chaddurbin]

i don't like bottom edge from the scan. you can be nice and return stuff on your dime, but if you file a claim they usually send you a pre-printed return label.

[pokerplyr80]

I tend to agree with what's already been said. T206s can vary in size without being trimmed. Just because a card is labeled poor or fair does not mean it's acceptable if it ends up being altered. Absent definitive proof that it has been trimmed just pay to ship it back if you're not happy with your purchase.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Others have stated that it doesn't look trimmed. I tend to agree. What are you seeing that's not "clear" to us? Top border? Bottom border? On what do you base your assessment?

The sum of the top and bottom border distance looks too short. Usually if one is short as the bottom border clearly is the top is significantly longer, not so much here. Also, it appears to me as if the top edge is not entirely straight across, looks like it dips a bit toward the left corner but that could just be the scan. In either case I feel it is at best questionable and that would cause me to stay away. Just my opinion however.

[steve B]

I think it looks fine, the size varies a lot with T206s so as others have said it's really about the edge and how it looks. I could tell better from a high resolution scan, 800-1200 dpi.

Besides the look of the edge itself, the edges on the front should have a slight downward curve, and the back should have a slight ridge. I was surprised to find with my own cards that those features remained even when the card was very worn. Only a few I have with FAR more wear have lost that shape to the edge. It's caused by the blade pushing its way through the cardstock. A very sharp blade usually leaves less of it, but a perfectly crisp edge is almost always trimmed.

Steve B