ebay return shipping & t206 length opinions please

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

By calling it fair to poor, I think he technically covers himself on a trimmed card.

He certainly needs to accept the return but the description actually matches what the card is since he calls it either fair or poor, IMO.

I've never even considered "poor" to mean "it could be trimmed"

Do others (beside Luke... I read your comments and consider them valid) really believe this? Comes as a bit of surprise to me.

Originally Posted by LukeLyon

Ebay return policy is that buyer pays return shipping.

I wasn't aware of this. If true, I'll never question that again as I'm all about written rules.

[caramelcard]

Hi Tony,

Short doesn't mean trimmed. T206 sizes vary.

It doesn't look trimmed to me, but I can't tell from a scan unless it's blatant.

If I sold a card on ebay that I made a mistake on then I would pay return shipping.

Sometimes people buy cards from me (graded or not) and they decide when they get it that they just don't want it anymore. In this situation, I would much prefer that they pay return shipping. Most don't want to of course.

I believe as a seller you can dictate in your description if you want the buyer to pay return shipping or if you'll pay for it as the seller.

Ebay rules change hourly so it's hard to keep up with.

Rob

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by caramelcard

Hi Tony,

Short doesn't mean trimmed. T206 sizes vary.

It doesn't look trimmed to me, but I can't tell from a scan unless it's blatant.

If I sold a card on ebay that I made a mistake on then I would pay return shipping.

Sometimes people buy cards from me (graded or not) and they decide when they get it that they just don't want it anymore. In this situation, I would much prefer that they pay return shipping. Most don't want to of course.

I believe as a seller you can dictate in your description if you want the buyer to pay return shipping or if you'll pay for it as the seller.

Ebay rules change hourly so it's hard to keep up with.

Rob

Thanks Rob,

Believe me, the ONLY reason I wouldn't want it is if I believe it to be trimmed.
The edges don't look to be trimmed to me either. It's just sooo short compared to others.

I appreciate your input ... it means a lot.




Tony

[Luke]

Tony,

I didn't mean that calling a card "poor" means that the card could be trimmed. I just meant that if a seller is providing a scan and saying that the card is in poor condition, I feel like they are dealing in good faith and not trying to hide anything. That is much different to me than sellers who list a trimmed card as EX+, which seems to be happening a lot these days.

I agree with Rob that it doesn't really look trimmed to me. A scan of the front could help, but so far the corner wear looks pretty even to me. I think if I had sold that card, it wouldn't have occurred to me to call it trimmed.

I am not an expert on Sov460s, but there are some cards that tend to be cut smaller from the factory. A lot of Old Mills from the 350 series for instance can have pretty small borders, and they came that way from the factory.

[T206Collector]

You should not judge a T206 as trimmed by the length alone. And, in this case, I don't think the card is trimmed. The best way to tell is to hold the card flat at eye-level, and compare the edges. On a trimmed card, all of the edges will not look the same. You should see the remnants of striations from the factory cut on all sides on a clean unaltered card. If it's trimmed, one edge will look a bit whiter and more uniform in texture.

I used to freak out about small T206s until I learned about this grading technique in an old issue of SGC Magazine. Works like a charm!

Enjoy the card!

[iwantitiwinit]

It's a raw card, in my opinion anyone purchasing a raw card is taking a chance. Clear from looking at the image that it's trimmed. I'd say there's no free lunch you get what you pay for and the seller says its in poor/fair condition. Someone tells me its in poor condition I think its just common sense that there are issues with the card and it being rimmed is one of the possibilities.

[kmac32]

If you do not care one way or the other, keep the card. Not worth the stress either way in my opinion.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by iwantitiwinit

IClear from looking at the image that it's trimmed.

Others have stated that it doesn't look trimmed. I tend to agree. What are you seeing that's not "clear" to us? Top border? Bottom border? On what do you base your assessment?

[Cozumeleno]

Originally Posted by tonyo

I've never even considered "poor" to mean "it could be trimmed"

Do others (beside Luke... I read your comments and consider them valid) really believe this? Comes as a bit of surprise to me.



I wasn't aware of this. If true, I'll never question that again as I'm all about written rules.

Hi Tony - I say this in the sense that there is really nowhere to go from 'Poor'. It is the bottom of the barrel. Most definitions of a card in Poor condition cover cards that are in terrible condition and trimmed cards would be part of that, no matter what the rest of the card looks like. Any raw card that is trimmed is considered a 'Poor' card.

Grading companies have muddied things up a bit by grading trimmed cards 'Authentic'. But in terms of the grading scale for raw cards, there's not really a level below Poor. So to me, and others, I'm sure, a trimmed card is automatically a Poor one. I should add that if the card is known or even believed to be trimmed, the seller should state that. But as others have pointed out, it's not a slam dunk and some cards just measure short. Since it's not a clear cut case (unless the seller knows and isn't clarifying), I think the description was a reasonable one.

[tonyo]

Originally Posted by Cozumeleno

Hi Tony - I say this in the sense that there is really nowhere to go from 'Poor'. It is the bottom of the barrel. Most definitions of a card in Poor condition cover cards that are in terrible condition and trimmed cards would be part of that, no matter what the rest of the card looks like. Any raw card that is trimmed is considered a 'Poor' card.

Grading companies have muddied things up a bit by grading trimmed cards 'Authentic'. But in terms of the grading scale for raw cards, there's not really a level below Poor. So to me, and others, I'm sure, a trimmed card is automatically a Poor one. I should add that if the card is known or even believed to be trimmed, the seller should state that. But as others have pointed out, it's not a slam dunk and some cards just measure short. Since it's not a clear cut case (unless the seller knows and isn't clarifying), I think the description was a reasonable one.

Hi Coz,

I feel that a card being altered from it's original state is a completely different set of parameters than it's condition. So, I agree that there is nowhere to go lower than poor as far as condition is concerned. However, whether or not a card is altered is a different topic vs. condition.

Oh, well. No problem that's what I hoped this thread would be good for..... shedding new light on some issues for some collectors.

Take it easy!

[ullmandds]

Altered is the bottom of the barrel...lower than poor! Only thing lower than altered is fake!