OT: Manning announces his retirement

[glynparson]

Best qb

1. Tom Brady
2. Joe Montana
3. John Elway
4. Peyton Manning
5. Johnny Unitas

Honourable mention to Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman

Best passers

1. Dan Marino
2. Dan Fouts
3. Brett Favre
4. Fran Tarkenton
5. Drew Brees

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Honourable mention to Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman

Aikman was known for his accuracy but behind that line and with Emmitt, YOU could've qb'd those teams to victory.

[TUM301]

Hard to compare QB`s especially from different eras so the #`s are basically what they are. Been watching football since the late 60`s and will make my top 5 or 6 guys with a different criteria. I`ll say top 6 QB`s I take if I absolutely must win on Sunday. So here goes
1-Brady
2-Unitas
3-Montana
4-Elway
5-Staubach
6-Bradshaw

[rats60]

My top 5
1. Unitas
2. Manning
3. Montana
4. Graham
5. Brady

Unitas and Graham put up great numbers under rules that made passing much more difficult. I think they would hold their own with any modern QB given an equal footing.

[ksabet]

You people and your nostalgia.

If you think Unitas could hold Brady or Manning's jock straps you don't really know football.


I am happy though that no one mentioned the most overrated player in the history of football. Mr. all style no substance. Look at me I am in the HOF despite a losing record, throwing more INT;s than TDs and having a horrendous completion percentage. Dave Krieg was better a QB than Broadway Joe.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ksabet

You people and your nostalgia.

If you think Unitas could hold Brady or Manning's jock straps you don't really know football.


I am happy though that no one mentioned the most overrated player in the history of football. Mr. all style no substance. Look at me I am in the HOF despite a losing record, throwing more INT;s than TDs and having a horrendous completion percentage. Dave Krieg was better a QB than Broadway Joe.

Many panels of experts over the recent years would disagree with you, as most rank Unitas anywhere from 1 to 3.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Many panels of experts over the recent years would disagree with you, as most rank Unitas anywhere from 1 to 3.

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by ksabet

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

So at what point did athletes evolve in baseball? Was it when DiMaggio succeeded Ruth? When Mantle and Mays succeeded DiMaggio? When Jackson and Schmidt succeeded Mantle and Mays? When Griffey succeeded them?

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So at what point did athletes evolve in baseball? Was it when DiMaggio succeeded Ruth? When Mantle and Mays succeeded DiMaggio? When Jackson and Schmidt succeeded Mantle and Mays? When Griffey succeeded them?

When the steroids got popular?


Ive always liked to look at the mile. People used to think that running a mile in under 4 minutes was an impossibility now its the norm. I do think that its similar in football. In baseball its tough to say because guys threw 100 mph back then as they do now.

I would not pretend to know as much about baseball as I do about football. So being on here as long as I have I would trust your opinion more than my own, so what are your thoughts?

[rats60]

Originally Posted by ksabet

I realize that, but its a bit of revisionist history.


I argue the same thing with Babe Ruth. Does anyone honestly believe he was as good an athlete and ball player as Ken Griffey Jr.? But he's always numero uno on most lists.

Do you not think that the great players of the 50s and 60s, Clemente, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Rose, etc. would be superstars today?

You have Brady #1, but his stats are no better than Manning's, both regular season (96.4 to 96.5) and postseason (88.0 to 87.4) and that is before factoring Spygate and Deflategate.

[Mikehealer]

Best QB ever, Aaron Rodgers and it's really not even close.

And how can you have a list of best passers and not have Warren Moon somewhere. I can't think of anyone that threw a better pass.

[ksabet]

Originally Posted by rats60

Do you not think that the great players of the 50s and 60s, Clemente, Mays, Aaron, Mantle, Rose, etc. would be superstars today?

You have Brady #1, but his stats are no better than Manning's, both regular season (96.4 to 96.5) and postseason (88.0 to 87.4) and that is before factoring Spygate and Deflategate.

I don't know in regards to baseball. Do I think those guys would be better than the average players...absolutely. Do I think that they could outplay the megastars of today, I would guess no, but I defer to the more knowledgeable.

Removing one year from his career, Brady had so much less to work with than any other QB in history and if not for two very fluky plays he'd have 6 rings right now. I believe Unitas would be a solid backup today. Theres no way he could stand up to how big, fast and strong defenses have become.

BTW I admit this is a silly argument because I am the first to argue that you can really only compare athletes to their contemporaries, very difficult to cross compare generations.