scam alert: fake psa cards from ebay seller "cardregistry"

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

If you think they can spot altered cards as well as PSA and SGC, go for it.

Clearly my point is that there is more trust that BGS didn't make a mistake on authenticity than with buying a PSA slab that could very well be completely fake and/or tampered-with. Find me one instance of a completely fake or tampered-with BGS slab and it will be the first I have ever seen/heard of.

These PSA horror stories have been ongoing for a long time now and PSA has done virtually nothing of any substance to prevent tampering/faking. I mean, holograms? Come on. To me, this doesn't bode well for their brand in general, and long-term it is due for a huge decrease as people start to realize their product is the most easily faked/tampered-with. How can you trust ANY PSA graded card when it's so easy to fake them and/or tamper with them.

My point stands. I would rather have an authentic card in a BGS holder than a PSA graded card that you have no idea whether it is real or fake/tampered with. I know BGS is an inferior TPG, but their slabs are 1,000x safer. I mean, what good is your grading reputation when the slabs you put them in can be faked and/or tampered with? It completely defeats the purpose and undermines the "sanctity" of the grade.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

Clearly my point is that there is more trust that BGS didn't make a mistake on authenticity than with buying a PSA slab, that could very well be completely fake and/or tampered-with. Find me one instance of a completely fake or tampered-with BGS slab and it will be the first I have ever seen/heard of.

These PSA horror stories have been ongoing for a long time now and PSA has done virtually nothing of any substance to prevent tampering/faking. I mean, holograms? Come on. To me, this doesn't bode well for their brand in general, and long-term it is due for a huge decrease as people start to realize their product is the most easily faked/tampered-with. How can you trust ANY PSA graded card when it's so easy to fake them and/or tamper with them.

My point stands. I would rather have an authentic card in a BGS holder than a PSA graded card that you have no idea whether it is real or fake/tampered with. I know BGS is an inferior TPG, but their slabs are 1,000x safer. I mean, what good is your grading reputation when the slabs you put them in can be faked and/or tampered with? It completely defeats the purpose and undermines the "sanctity" of the grade.

The best slab in the world is worthless to me if I think the company can't spot alterations reliably.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

The best slab in the world is worthless to me if I think the company can't spot alterations reliably.

And I would rather have an authentic card in a tamper-proof and fake-proof slab than a completely fake slab or a slab that was tampered with. How many BGS slabs have been faked or tampered with? Zero??? How many for PSA? Thousands upon thousands of high dollar to mega-high dollar cards. PSA's slabs are a joke. How can anyone trust ANY high dollar PSA graded card as being legit. I mean, Christ. What would stop someone from buying a high-dollar PSA card, cracking the card out, putting in a lesser card and re-selling it, all the while retaining the original card that can also be regraded and resold at a later date. It's like doubling your money. All because PSA doesn't want to pony up for fake-proof/tamper-proof slabs?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

And I would rather have an authentic card in a tamper-proof and fake-proof slab than a completely fake slab or a slab that was tampered with. How many BGS slabs have been faked or tampered with? Zero??? How many for PSA? Thousands upon thousands of high dollar to mega-high dollar cards. PSA's slabs are a joke. How can anyone trust ANY high dollar PSA graded card as being legit.

Thousands upon thousands? Do you know this to be a fact?

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Thousands upon thousands? Do you know this to be a fact?

If you can bring yourself to deny that, we are done here.

P.S. Still waiting on that ONE instance of a completely fake or tampered-with BGS slab...

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

If you can bring yourself to deny that, we are done here.

P.S. Still waiting on that ONE instance of a completely fake or tampered-with BGS slab...

I'm not denying anything. I am sure this has been going on for some time, but I really have no idea about the volume. If you do, say what you know.

[sportscardtheory]

PSA is clearly the best TPG at actual grading, but if you can't trust whether or not any of their slabs are real or un-tampered-with, and you have to run in circles trying to authenticate the freaking slabs, what good is that grading reputation. Serious question. I mean, think about that. You have to jump through hoops to AUTHENTICATE THE FREAKING SLABS. What good is a TPG if you have to AUTHENTICATE THE FREAKING SLABS. I get that people want to protect their investments by defending PSA, but you better start caring about this issue because it's only getting worse, which WILL affect PSA's reputation in the future, which WILL affect the value of your PSA graded cards in the future. Take heed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

PSA is clearly the best TPG at actual grading, but if you can't trust whether or not any of their slabs are real or un-tampered-with, and you have to run in circles trying to authenticate the freaking slabs, what good is that grading reputation. Serious question. I mean, think about that. You have to jump through hoops to AUTHENTICATE THE FREAKING SLABS. What good is a TPG if you have to AUTHENTICATE THE FREAKING SLABS. I get that people want to protect their investments by defending PSA, but you better start caring about this issue because it's only getting worse, which WILL affect PSA's reputation in the future, which WILL affect the value of your PSA graded cards in the future. Take heed.

It's certainly a significant concern, I am with you there. What I don't know yet is whether the guy is an artist pulling off the occasional scam on a mega card, or whether he truly has flooded the market already, or somewhere in between.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Thousands upon thousands? Do you know this to be a fact?

http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...Post-war+board

'...PSA case to china and had hundreds of thousands reproduced for almost nothing.'

This was 8+ years ago. I mean, you have been here since 2009 and have never heard of fake and/or tampered-with PSA slabs by the thousands.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...Post-war+board

'...PSA case to china and had hundreds of thousands reproduced for almost nothing.'

This was 8+ years ago. I mean, you have been here since 2009 and have never heard of fake and/or tampered-with PSA slabs by the thousands.

I hope MW will comment. This came up not so long ago and it was his contention that the scammer is not using fake slabs but resealed ones.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

http://www.network54.com/Forum/15365...Post-war+board

'...PSA case to china and had hundreds of thousands reproduced for almost nothing.'

This was 8+ years ago. I mean, you have been here since 2009 and have never heard of fake and/or tampered-with PSA slabs by the thousands.

Then why in your view hasn't the market taken a hit if this is a well known fact for years? Quite to the contrary, the mega cards are in an epic upswing, no?

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Then why in your view hasn't the market taken a hit if this is a well known fact for years? Quite to the contrary, the mega cards are in an epic upswing, no?

I have been talking about "future" in all my posts. The upswing you speak of is great for now, but what about when the severity of the problem starts to settle-in to mainstream hive-mind. You think it will always stay a non-mainstream issue? The day it becomes main-stream, this bubble will pop and there will be many left holding the bill. And it could all be avoided if PSA simply created a tamper-proof/fake-proof slab. I mean why wouldn't they want to protect their buyers? Isn't that the entire point of TPGs, to protect consumers? This issue seems to be the exact opposite of that. No protection whatsoever. No safety.