PWCC Auction

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

HONESTLY...it's like noone seems to care about PWCC's history?!?!? Keep wearing those blinders folks...after all cardboard trumps all!

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

[h2oya311]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

I can assure you that someone is doing just that...and likely shilling their auctions to ensure a profit. Keep in mind that PWCC will take at least a 10% cut of that amount, so you can still rake in 10-30% if you are smart. Take a look at some of the items in the last auction and tell me you haven't seen the exact same cards offered before. Just look at VCP images to see. The results may alarm you!

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by h2oya311

I can assure you that someone is doing just that...and likely shilling their auctions to ensure a profit. Keep in mind that PWCC will take at least a 10% cut of that amount, so you can still rake in 10-30% if you are smart. Take a look at some of the items in the last auction and tell me you haven't seen the exact same cards offered before. Just look at VCP images to see. The results may alarm you!

Can you link just a couple for posterity sake?? I don't really follow PWCC.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

20-40% markup on EVERY card within a 3-month period??? I guess I can just quit my job, win cards on Ebay from normal/other sellers, and just consign with PWCC, sit back and collect 30%??? Sounds good!

actually you have complained they got low prices for you...cant have it both ways

something that is overlooked is when I was buying 1952 topps..and there was one or two cards I wanted with a seller and I don't use a snipe service..many times I would miss the auction..but when there were 15 or so cards with PWCC I usually made time for that auction and also bid on some other cards in that grouping...when there are 70 or so cards of the same year and grade of a set..theres a chance to get more people bidding on cards they might not have otherwise bid on ...sort of like moves that were playing when star wars was playing were being seen because so many people were at the theater they also saw some of the other movies which they probably would never of seen if they didn't see the new star wars...

[bobbyw8469]

actually you have complained they got low prices for you...cant have it both ways

I don't shill my own auctions with PWCC. Keep up.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I don't shill my own auctions with PWCC. Keep up.

neither do I..plus people aren't shlling when its over 30% etc..that's absurd they will want to win their own card back after being up so high..plus when there are 5 unique bidders over the VCP they are all shillers?

cant say every card isn't shilled (like very other auction house out there) but cant say every card is shilled either

also cant say every card that isn't shilled doesn't get a good price...you just said you don't shill your auctions and got bad prices so that's what you are implying..

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

neither do I..plus people aren't shlling when its over 30% etc..that's absurd they will want to win their own card back after being up so high..plus when there are 5 unique bidders over the VCP they are all shillers?

cant say every card isn't shilled (like very other auction house out there) but cant say every card is shilled either

also cant say every card that isn't shilled doesn't get a good price...you just said you don't shill your auctions and got bad prices so that's what you are implying..

That's a true statement. My last consignment was a couple of item on July, 2015. My last consignment of anything more than 10 items was in November of 2014. Maybe things have changed since then. The market heated up a little. I'm sure you conspiracy theory people can think of other reasons why they bring insane prices now.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

That's a true statement. My last consignment was a couple of item on July, 2015. My last consignment of anything more than 10 items was in November of 2014. Maybe things have changed since then. The market heated up a little. I'm sure you conspiracy theory people can think of other reasons why they bring insane prices now.

basically you are not a shiller and you consigned to PWCC correct? So wouldn't it be logically there are also other non shiller people like you consigning to PWCC....you cant be the only one..

as for the prices they are what they are..

[ullmandds]

All i know is I see board members bitching and whining about the whole mastro debacle...which has shown that the "shill" "problem" is alive and well...and widespread throughout the hobby. Board members too lazy to read the threads and do the legwork themselves pleading and moaning for a "list" of suspect shillers and suspect sellers to be made and presented to them.

So to date we have a significant % of existing auction houses ether having admitted in the past to deceptive bidding practices...or caught in the act...some of whom have "vowed" to change their ways.

And we have likely the 2 biggest ebay sellers PWCC and good old Probstein where board members have shown over...and over and over and over... again numerous examples of blatant shilling.

NO...not all auctions are shilled...but a shit ton are. And the problem is there are a lot more buyers of these cards out there who are not privy to this knowledge...who do not frequent this/other boards. So these people are driving prices higher as a secondary affect of the shillers...so it may not appear to be shill bidding...but it is atificial inflation.

Carry on with your blinders on...as it seems many of you don't seem to mind overpaying for your cardboard. Just don't bitch about it...you have the proof...you only have yourself to blame!