1918 Ticket - who got it wrong?

[Shoeless Moe]

both are board members by the way, but I don't think # 2 comments, just observes and reads the posts. Would love for him to comment, but doubtful.

[rholmes]

I was the seller of the ticket originally, and just calculated the game using a linear counting of home games. The guy that bought it from me used some voodoo counting to calculate the game he thought it was. He could have been correct, I didn't actually read his entire ebay listing. The only sure thing is, if the ticket isn't printed with the date and there isn't any other credible writing on it indicating date, any date/game assigned to the ticket is a leap of faith.

By the way, the guy who bought the ticket from me pm'd me on ebay about a different 1918 ticket I had, and from the angle of being a collector (that's how I took it) asked if I had any others. I said I did, and sold him the ticket he ended up flipping- using a different selling account than the one he'd pm'd me from. I wasn't really that enamored of the sort of deke he pulled and I doubt I'll ever be selling to him again. All's fair.

[Scott Garner]

FWIW, retrosheet.org lists game 11, 1918 as being a game played between the Senators and Cleveland, not Boston and Babe Ruth.

Walter Johnson and the Nats prevailed 1-0 over starting pitcher Bagby and the Indians. This was one of WaJo's record career 110 shutouts if it's any consolation.

[Shoeless Moe]

It's just shows how Ebay buyers buy/believe what they read, anybody could have gone to baseball reference and seen it wasn't the game seller 2 was claiming it to be.

Not sure if he read it wrong or their was intent to deceive.

But 3 bidders ALL who did not do their homework and the (un)lucky winner for $338 with a Ticket PSA won't even encapsuate, well not to the game he believes it to be anyway.

[Shoeless Moe]

Yah good consolation I guess Scott, at least the winner got a Big Train shutout, of course no date on the ticket, so not sure that either can be confirmed beyond a reasonable doubt.


Seller 2 also wrote it like it was a pitching matchup of Ruth vs Johnson, but someone else started and went 9 innings for the Senators, Johnson just came in at the end. So there was no pitching matchup, they just played in the same game.

Glad my mom always taught me to do my homework.

[Scott Garner]

BTW, I purchased one of the game 61 tickets (different game in which was a WaJo 14 inning win) from the 1918 season from Ray Holmes (nice guy BTW) here on net54.

These tickets were removed from a 1918 scrapbook according to Ray and were surrounded by other items related to 1918. Additionally, there is a yet to be released terrific book on Washington Senators tickets coming out that is written by baseball ticket super collector & historian Dan Busby. I have a pre-release copy of this book in hand.

Ray's tickets are consistent with Senators tickets from 1918 based on Team President, font, ticket price, etc. I truly believe these to be from the 1918 season & the rest of the research can be done looking at game log notes....

Ticket dates did not appear on any Nats tickets until the mid- 1920's, BTW. They simply did not exist yet. The only way to nail down years and dates for the earlier Nats games comes from a situation where you are fortunate enough to find that the patron wrote info on the ticket or in a scrapbook...

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Scott Garner

Additionally, there is a yet to be released terrific book on Washington Senators tickets coming out that is written by baseball ticket super collector & historian Dan Busby. I have a pre-release copy of this book in hand.

I'd just as soon wait for the movie : )

[rholmes]

Hi Scott!

All true about the tickets and the scrapbook. It was compiled by a guy who worked in DC for basically just over one calendar year, beginning in November of 1917 and ending early in 1919. There were a few random misc items from the late 20's at the very end of the scrapbook, but literally everything else represented his one year living and working in Washington-- theater tickets, rent receipts, written correspondence, telegrams, etc. Not a percentage of doubt in my mind that the Senators tix were from 1918.