Ebayer 'collectors' ripe for plucking

[mechanicalman]

I wish there was a separate section on Net54 that housed the threads on fraudulent and "stupid sh*t" that eBay sellers (and buyers) do.

[Snapolit1]

If you are accusing someone of fraud and are wrong that could have serious legal ramifications. Not that many of these petty jackasses have a real "business reputation" to protect, but I'd certainly be a little careful in calling people out.
As to what is stupid, well stupid is in the eye of the beholder. Some of this nonsense - cutting pictures out of a book - seems to defy logic, but I am sure things people on this board engage in were criticized or considered moronic at some point. Can just see someone laughing in 1970 because some boob just spent $6 for an old Wheaties box with Lou Gehrig on the panel.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

If you are accusing someone of fraud and are wrong that could have serious legal ramifications. Not that many of these petty jackasses have a real "business reputation" to protect, but I'd certainly be a little careful in calling people out.
As to what is stupid, well stupid is in the eye of the beholder. Some of this nonsense - cutting pictures out of a book - seems to defy logic, but I am sure things people on this board engage in were criticized or considered moronic at some point. Can just see someone laughing in 1970 because some boob just spent $6 for an old Wheaties box with Lou Gehrig on the panel.

If your comment was a response to mine, I think you miss my point. But that's my fault, not yours. I didn't provide the right context. My comment was not in reference to the OP's discovery. I didn't even pay much attention to the link, to be honest. My bigger point is that it seems like every third or fourth thread is about some sale of fake, reprint, or otherwise ridiculous cards on eBay to which most of this community would never give a second thought. I just feel like all these post have the potential to distract from the discussions of beautiful (real cards), pick-ups, history, collecting stories, deep hobby issues like shilling, etc. I just wish there was another section for eBay crap and rants. Unlikely to happen, I realize; just one person's opinion.

[Snapolit1]

My response. Wasn't aimed in response to yours. Like you I see all the posts here calling out frauds on eBay. All I was trying to say is that I Personally would be very unlikely to publicly say some one is engaging in fraud unless I had 110% irrefutable proof.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

My response. Wasn't aimed in response to yours. Like you I see all the posts here calling out frauds on eBay. All I was trying to say is that I Personally would be very unlikely to publicly say some one is engaging in fraud unless I had 110% irrefutable proof.

I definitely agree with you in principle that the word is thrown about rather liberally, and at times, it's probably an incorrect statement. I think, in practice, however, many posters here do not fear the likelihood of a guy selling $5.00 junk reprints hiring an $800/hr attorney to serve a defamation suit. I could be wrong here; we do live in a litigious world.

[Snapolit1]

I agree. And if anyone needs an $800/hr lawyer to sue some idiot on eBay please drop me a line.

[trdcrdkid]

Just out of curiosity, does anybody know what the "Big Book of Baseball Cards" is from which these "cards" were cut out? Searching for that title on Amazon, eBay, and Bookfinder.com brings up nothing, and if I google the title (with quotes around it) the top hits are this seller's eBay listings and this thread. Googling the title without quotes brings up a bunch of generic articles about baseball cards, with this thread further down on the second page. Not that I'm trying to defend the seller (though I agree that he/she wasn't overtly deceptive), but I'm just curious exactly what book he/she cut these cards from.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

If your comment was a response to mine, I think you miss my point. But that's my fault, not yours. I didn't provide the right context. My comment was not in reference to the OP's discovery. I didn't even pay much attention to the link, to be honest. My bigger point is that it seems like every third or fourth thread is about some sale of fake, reprint, or otherwise ridiculous cards on eBay to which most of this community would never give a second thought. I just feel like all these post have the potential to distract from the discussions of beautiful (real cards), pick-ups, history, collecting stories, deep hobby issues like shilling, etc. I just wish there was another section for eBay crap and rants. Unlikely to happen, I realize; just one person's opinion.

Even if we removed all three of your posts from this thread (yes, you came back twice after your initial visit), there would still be 39, meaning people are getting a little entertained by it. Also, you've spent 3 out of your 108 posts in this thread alone, which is over 2.5% I personally haven't spent that much time in this sort of thread and I just created one!

But I understand - I would love to have a personal coffee shop that only sold the one type of tea I like and Costa Rican French press, that allowed non-barking dogs but not babies and that you had to drop your cell-phone at the door, turn the volume off on your p.c. and you aren't allowed in at all if you are wearing musk cologne or perfume.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Even if we removed all three of your posts from this thread (yes, you came back twice after your initial visit), there would still be 39, meaning people are getting a little entertained by it. Also, you've spent 3 out of your 108 posts in this thread alone, which is over 2.5% I personally haven't spent that much time in this sort of thread and I just created one!

But I understand - I would love to have a personal coffee shop that only sold the one type of tea I like and Costa Rican French press, that allowed non-barking dogs but not babies and that you had to drop your cell-phone at the door, turn the volume off on your p.c. and you aren't allowed in at all if you are wearing musk cologne or perfume.

Thanks for the stats update, Scott! Perhaps my comment was misplaced. I should have reserved it for the bi-weekly battlefield thread or the next fake Mantle rookie to pop up. It seems this topic has legs, so it was not the best choice to post my comment. I'd honestly be surprised if I'm alone in thinking this.
Also, for what it's worth, I met you (or someone from Belltown) at the Cleveland National. I bought a couple e95s as I recall. It's always wonderful to get a snarky comment directed at you from someone with whom you've done business.
Won't make that mistake again.
Sam Swartz

[Dpeck100]

Glad I clicked on this thread.

That run of Nolan Ryan cards is simply awesome. If you have the jack to throw around good for you. Not every purchase has to make since to others.

Bob I am beyond impressed with the range of cards and having so many in such nice condition. Nice going!

[begsu1013]

appreciate it eric and dpeck!

there really were no hard feelings whatsoever and a ton of cryptic stuff that flew under the radar that most probably did not pick up on.

and dpeck, saw the jabs going back and forth in the other thread. sorry to see that. and unfortunately w/ the cu board being run into the ground by whoever or whatever gag order regulations they have in place, there aren't really a lot of other places to go to discuss cardboard.

whether this board, that board or simply just bored this hobby is supposed to be a community. that word is derived from the words "common" and "unity". who cares what who collects? seriously.

lately on just about every board and on every front, it seems to be solely filled w/ nothing but negativity and wickedness. it's a shame.

i know you don't do a ton of prewar either and while not as active, maybe try the postwar side of the sandbox. i feel like i was dragged over here by "the list" and it's darkside. and by darkside, i don't mean the people, more the vibe. it's pretty heavy on this side....hopefully frankie goes to hollywood soon

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mechanicalman

Thanks for the stats update, Scott! Perhaps my comment was misplaced. I should have reserved it for the bi-weekly battlefield thread or the next fake Mantle rookie to pop up. It seems this topic has legs, so it was not the best choice to post my comment. I'd honestly be surprised if I'm alone in thinking this.
Also, for what it's worth, I met you (or someone from Belltown) at the Cleveland National. I bought a couple e95s as I recall. It's always wonderful to get a snarky comment directed at you from someone with whom you've done business.
Won't make that mistake again.
Sam Swartz

Nothing snarky about my comment. You wrist-slapped me for posting about bad ebayers, so I responded. There was nothing wrong with my starting this thread and I thought you should understand that.

Seriously - EVERY SINGLE TIME I post in Net54, I realize that someone is likely to imply that I'm a dumbass. EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's why I took a 5 year vacation, and while I'm on the verge of another.

No offense intended - you are completely normal and I am odd. I get that.

[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Nothing snarky about my comment. You wrist-slapped me for posting about bad ebayers, so I responded. There was nothing wrong with my starting this thread and I thought you should understand that.

Seriously - EVERY SINGLE TIME I post in Net54, I realize that someone is likely to imply that I'm a dumbass. EVERY SINGLE TIME. It's why I took a 5 year vacation, and while I'm on the verge of another.

No offense intended - you are completely normal and I am odd. I get that.

Under no circumstances was my post intended to be a "wrist slap." I'm very sorry it was interpreted as such. My only point was that there are many posts about sketchy eBay sales, so many that I wish there was a separate section to house them, just like there's a section for BST, post-war, OT, etc. I honestly should have posted my comment in one of the other eBay issue threads. Or, I shouldn't have said anything at all. One thing we can agree on: if you post an opinion it seems other than liking some guy's T206 misprint, it seems like you're setting yourself up for drama.

[mrmopar]

Here is what the inside looks like. Mine has a yellow background, so his book may be a slightly different version, but it has the same cards pictured.

[slidekellyslide]

Someone paid $1,170 for this cutout of a picture of Nolan Ryan from a Sporting News magazine. Not ever was this meant to be cut out yet PSA for some reason felt it should be slabbed. As far as I know they still won't slab a skinned N172 Old Judge card.



http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...hand-497494361

^^^^
Yes this sold for $1,170. I have a subscription to worthpoint and can see the prices.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Someone paid $1,170 for this cutout of a picture of Nolan Ryan from a Sporting News magazine. Not ever was this meant to be cut out yet PSA for some reason felt it should be slabbed. As far as I know they still won't slab a skinned N172 Old Judge card.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...hand-497494361

^^^^
Yes this sold for $1,170. I have a subscription to worthpoint and can see the prices.

Hey, it's in the PSA registry, so it must be valuable!

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

Hey, it's in the PSA registry, so it must be valuable!

Exactly! PSA just printing money by accepting this garbage. If PSA doesn't recognize this in their registry nobody would pay a dollar for it.

[Bored5000]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Exactly! PSA just printing money by accepting this garbage. If PSA doesn't recognize this in their registry nobody would pay a dollar for it.

PSA does the same nonsense in slabbing a magazine cut out from a 1973 wrestling annual that contains a very early Andre the Giant "card."

How valuable can that Nolan Ryan Sporting News cut out really be? It isn't even gem mint. Can I interest you in a $4,995 Andre the Giant cut out from the '73 wrestling annual that was graded PSA 10?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-Wrestli...UAAOSwo0JWN6Pe

Ebay currently has four PSA 9s for sale of the same newsprint "card" for $995 that have been cut out of that magazine.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Someone paid $1,170 for this cutout of a picture of Nolan Ryan from a Sporting News magazine. Not ever was this meant to be cut out yet PSA for some reason felt it should be slabbed. As far as I know they still won't slab a skinned N172 Old Judge card.



http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...hand-497494361

^^^^
Yes this sold for $1,170. I have a subscription to worthpoint and can see the prices.

WHAT?? PSA graded a piece of newsprint cut out from a Sporting News? And it was bid up to $1170. WHAT??
Was the edition of Sporting News that this came from a "short print?" Did most of the issues get burnt up before hitting the newsstand?
The list of crazy in this hobby is as long as anyone can imagine but this one has to rank in the top 10.