PSA giving straight grades from Qualifiers

[irv]

Learning something new everyday I come on here.

I had no idea one could ask for a lower grade, or ask for anything. Just thought you sent the card in and it came back professionally graded with whatever numbers/letters remarks and that was it.

I assume most see the letters "OC" or "MK" as a bad thing and would much rather have an 8 OC graded as a straight 7 instead?

Is it the value you are worried about or typically do these straight number cards sell for more?

[swarmee]

Irv,
You've got it a little wrong. If you had an 8(OC), it most likely would be a 6 or below based on centering, so would get a 5 or 6 if you ask for "No Qualifiers" during the submission. If it had centering that met 7 standards, it would have come back a 7 instead of an 8(OC). Most MK qualifiers cannot be removed. It is always at the discretion of PSA to approve or disagree with your request.

[irv]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Irv,
You've got it a little wrong. If you had an 8(OC), it most likely would be a 6 or below based on centering, so would get a 5 or 6 if you ask for "No Qualifiers" during the submission. If it had centering that met 7 standards, it would have come back a 7 instead of an 8(OC). Most MK qualifiers cannot be removed. It is always at the discretion of PSA to approve or disagree with your request.

Thanks.

But going back to my original question, why do some ask for no qualifiers knowing full well they will get a 5 or 6 instead of an 8 OC?

Is the 6-7 worth more or is it more desirable than an 8 OC? I don't understand why some would ask for no qualifiers?

[Bliggity]

Originally Posted by irv

Is the 6-7 worth more or is it more desirable than an 8 OC?

Often times yes, especially if it grades straight at only one grade lower. Plus, a straight grade will attract more buyers. Many buyers who would otherwise buy a straight 7 won't give the same card a second look if it's in a 9OC holder. Buying the holder, not the card...

[swarmee]

The standard answer is that a qualifier drops the value approximately 2 points. Some people just hate the qualifiers and don't want them at all. So most 8(OC)s will sell for near 6 prices. Could be more or less depending on the card and the amount of the defect.

And of course drastic miscuts in T206 (name on top and bottom, back upside down), despite dropping the card 1-2 points in the Set Registry value, make the card more desirable because of how good the quality control actually was back in that set and how many people are looking for oddball cards from that set.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Some people just hate the qualifiers and don't want them at all.

+1 for a number of reasons. It singles out and brings a flaw front and center. It's like a stat in a record book with an asterisk. It doesn't fit with any sort of grading consistency or common sense IMO, like a special group of flaws PSA made up and decided to note exclusively.

What's next, cards with back paper loss as PSA 8PL?, creases = PSA 4CR? Rounded corners = PSA 3RC? If the card is off-center or mis-cut, anyone can see that and judge it accordingly. Note it as a 6 then, I don't need an 8OC or 8MC to remind me the card is off-center.

What kills me is PSA will say (the folks at the show booths at least) you can submit requesting no qualifiers, they tell you it gets a two-point drop (fine, I'd rather that than qualifiers) - yet on my last submission, despite noting in size 48 font no qualifiers please - I got three back with qualifiers When I called and pointed out my submission notation and what I was told at the booth, they said they'd look into and get back to me - then they came back and said they'd re-slab two of them but one they will not. And here's the best part - I had to pay again to have that done despite my requesting in the first place. - Fah-que!

[irv]

Originally Posted by Bliggity

Often times yes, especially if it grades straight at only one grade lower. Plus, a straight grade will attract more buyers. Many buyers who would otherwise buy a straight 7 won't give the same card a second look if it's in a 9OC holder. Buying the holder, not the card...

Originally Posted by swarmee

The standard answer is that a qualifier drops the value approximately 2 points. Some people just hate the qualifiers and don't want them at all. So most 8(OC)s will sell for near 6 prices. Could be more or less depending on the card and the amount of the defect.

And of course drastic miscuts in T206 (name on top and bottom, back upside down), despite dropping the card 1-2 points in the Set Registry value, make the card more desirable because of how good the quality control actually was back in that set and how many people are looking for oddball cards from that set.

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

+1 for a number of reasons. It singles out and brings a flaw front and center. It's like a stat in a record book with an asterisk. It doesn't fit with any sort of grading consistency or common sense IMO, like a special group of flaws PSA made up and decided to note exclusively.

What's next, cards with back paper loss as PSA 8PL?, creases = PSA 4CR? Rounded corners = PSA 3RC? If the card is off-center or mis-cut, anyone can see that and judge it accordingly. Note it as a 6 then, I don't need an 8OC or 8MC to remind me the card is off-center.

What kills me is PSA will say (the folks at the show booths at least) you can submit requesting no qualifiers, they tell you it gets a two-point drop (fine, I'd rather that than qualifiers) - yet on my last submission, despite noting in size 48 font no qualifiers please - I got three back with qualifiers When I called and pointed out my submission notation and what I was told at the booth, they said they'd look into and get back to me - then they came back and said they'd re-slab two of them but one they will not. And here's the best part - I had to pay again to have that done despite my requesting in the first place. - Fah-que!

I would be pi**ed about that as well, Ed. Surprised, even after you brought it to their attention, they still made you pay twice.

Just my opinion, but grading by SGC is sounding better and better everyday.

Thanks for the info guys.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by irv

I would be pi**ed about that as well, Ed. Surprised, even after you brought it to their attention, they still made you pay twice.

Just my opinion, but grading by SGC is sounding better and better everyday.

Thanks for the info guys.

you sure about SGC?

[irv]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

you sure about SGC?

No, not 100% but the scales are leaning their way based on what I have gathered the short time I have been here.

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by irv

I would be pi**ed about that as well, Ed. Surprised, even after you brought it to their attention, they still made you pay twice.

Thanks, I didn't send them back/pay twice - I just let it go and cracked them out. Dismissed their response for the ridiculousness that is was.