the list (of criminals) is revealed

[Buythatcard]

Can someone please share the list?

[rhettyeakley]

Pretty eye opening, saw my name as a winning bidder. Surprising just how wide-spread it all was, how did they think nobody would find out when done at this level? Disturbing to say the least.

[trobba]

How would someone shilling for a friend (or themselves) know how high to go without purchasing the item?

I get how Mastro could be "protected" in their shill bidding because they could conceivably use someone's max bid against them.

How would I know if a $10,000 item was shilled up to $15,000 that someone would bid one more than me? Wouldn't there be ample times when I would get stuck, as the shill bidder, with the item?

Or were most shill bids up to a reasonable price and not way above market prices?

Rob

[savedfrommyspokes]

Originally Posted by trobba

How would someone shilling for a friend know how high to go without purchasing the item?

I get how Mastro could be "protected" in their shill bidding because they could conceivably use someone's max bid against them.

How would I know if a $10,000 item was shilled up to $15,000 that someone would bid one more than me? Wouldn't there be ample times when I would get stuck, as the shill bidder, with the item?

Or were most shill bids up to a reasonable price and not way above market prices?

Rob

There were many instances on this list where a name that was listed as the "winning bidder" was also listed as the "shill bidder" for the same item.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by trobba

How would someone shilling for a friend (or themselves) know how high to go without purchasing the item?

I get how Mastro could be "protected" in their shill bidding because they could conceivably use someone's max bid against them.

How would I know if a $10,000 item was shilled up to $15,000 that someone would bid one more than me? Wouldn't there be ample times when I would get stuck, as the shill bidder, with the item?

Or were most shill bids up to a reasonable price and not way above market prices?

Rob

Originally Posted by savedfrommyspokes

There were many instances on this list where a name that was listed as the "winning bidder" was also listed as the "shill bidder" for the same item.

You accomplish this via an agreement with the auction house. Other people shill the card up to the desired price hoping someone will get caught up in the bidding and overpay. If nobody overpays, the shill bidder goes down as the winning bidder, but card and money do not change hands. Looks legit from a distance, AH has increased profits, consignor has increased profits, everybody wins......except the winning bidder.

For the consignor, the worst case scenario is that nobody overpays, he keeps his card, and the most recent sale of his card is nice and inflated when he consigns it again 4 months down the road.

Worst case for the auction house, they don't get a hefty buyer's premium but they can now advertise a NEW RECORD PRICE for whatever card they sold in a press release and on their website.

[btcarfagno]

Darryl Abramowitz?

Tom C

[mickeymao34]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

Darryl Abramowitz?

Tom C

exactly WHO da F**k is dat? and even bigger question is will he be participating in tonights auction!

ALWAYS LOOKING FOR COMPLETE TOPPS 60-70 NBA SETS THAT ARE IN GOOD TO EXCELLENT CONDITION.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Buythatcard

Can someone please share the list?

Yeah I'm wondering why this appears to be secretive on this board.

[TNP777]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Yeah I'm wondering why this appears to be secretive on this board.

Post #51 in this thread

http://net54baseball.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=51

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by TNP777

Post #51 in this thread

http://net54baseball.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=51

Thanks !

[paul]

I naively thought that only the big boys bidding on high value lots got shilled. I got shilled for $200. Sad.

[Econteachert205]

any thoughts as to whether this could contribute to price deflation in the market? There has been widespread false price discovery here. Maybe it's old enough not to matter to prices now.

[The Nasty Nati]

I would love if Keith Olbermann spoke up about this. He was the victim on quite a lot of the top dollar items.

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

any thoughts as to whether this could contribute to price deflation in the market? There has been widespread false price discovery here. Maybe it's old enough not to matter to prices now.

Something I was wondering and hoping for.

[iwantitiwinit]

Originally Posted by Econteachert205

any thoughts as to whether this could contribute to price deflation in the market? There has been widespread false price discovery here. Maybe it's old enough not to matter to prices now.

I would think there has been false price discovery without a doubt, however, I'm not so sure it will contribute to price deflation.

[Cat]

I was shilled once for $379 + vig (amounts seem to be only the hammer price) but apparently I wasn't a "victim."

[paul]

I wasn't a "victim" either, but I was shilled. I wonder what that means.