DH to the NL??

chaddurbin · #1 01-24-2016, 01:52 PM

this is an easy decision. more jobs for the mlbpa, less exposure to injuries for your 25mil/yr pitchers. win win for players and clubs, the sooner the better.

dgo71 · #2 01-24-2016, 04:50 PM

At $25M/year for a pitcher, I want him to pitch. Not only that, I don't want to worry about him getting lifted in the 4th inning because I need a pinch hitter. I want him pitching and giving me 6-7 innings. I'd also rather see a competent hitter in the 9-hole as opposed to some sure out flailing helplessly at 3 straight pitchers. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy but I'm not so rooted in tradition that I expect bread to still be a nickel, and I don't expect baseball to never change just to placate the purists.

Cmount76 · #3 01-24-2016, 05:28 PM

If the NL goes the way of the DH (sad but true) - enjoy Bartolo while you can.

1952boyntoncollector · #4 01-24-2016, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

At $25M/year for a pitcher, I want him to pitch. Not only that, I don't want to worry about him getting lifted in the 4th inning because I need a pinch hitter. I want him pitching and giving me 6-7 innings. I'd also rather see a competent hitter in the 9-hole as opposed to some sure out flailing helplessly at 3 straight pitchers. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy but I'm not so rooted in tradition that I expect bread to still be a nickel, and I don't expect baseball to never change just to placate the purists.

How many 25 million dollar a year pitchers were lifted in the 4th inning not due to injury? if they gave up 9 earned runs, i would probably hit for them though..you really want to see that guy keep pitching? i know a few years ago ray halliday gave up 9 runs against the marlins but he was pitching hurt

dgo71 · #5 01-25-2016, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

How many 25 million dollar a year pitchers were lifted in the 4th inning not due to injury? if they gave up 9 earned runs, i would probably hit for them though..you really want to see that guy keep pitching? i know a few years ago ray halliday gave up 9 runs against the marlins but he was pitching hurt

Every pitcher has bad outings. Aside from it being ridiculous for two leagues in the same sport to operate under different rules, I'm just saying scenarios like that could play out in the NL where they wouldn't in the AL.

1952boyntoncollector · #6 01-25-2016, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

Every pitcher has bad outings. Aside from it being ridiculous for two leagues in the same sport to operate under different rules, I'm just saying scenarios like that could play out in the NL where they wouldn't in the AL.

An AL pitcher making 25 million a year would get pulled in the 4th inning if he gave up 9 earned runs as well....I don't think you need to worry about a pinch hitter in the 4-5th inning ruining a 25 million dollar pitchers outing......the 7th or 8th yes...but not the 4th and 5th (as per your example)....it just barely ever happens and I think if the game was in the AL even without having to pull the pitcher for a hitter they would still pull him in that horrendous outing situation.

dgo71 · #7 01-25-2016, 11:52 PM

You're assuming the starter got shelled. It could be a 1-1 game with runners on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs. You want to squander a scoring opportunity just because you need to lift your pitcher to get a run home? It's just silly tradition that keeps baseball from making changes. It's not 1940, let the pitchers focus on pitching and the hitters on hitting. Just the way I see it.

itjclarke · #8 01-26-2016, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

You're assuming the starter got shelled. It could be a 1-1 game with runners on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs. You want to squander a scoring opportunity just because you need to lift your pitcher to get a run home? It's just silly tradition that keeps baseball from making changes. It's not 1940, let the pitchers focus on pitching and the hitters on hitting. Just the way I see it.

Guessing maybe you're more of an AL fan? No problem with that, but no NL manager would pull his ace (guy like Kershaw, Bum, Grienke, Scherzer, etc) in that situation unless there's something else at play (starter felt a twinge in his side... starter doesn't have his A stuff and has labored through 4 or 5 and at 100+ pitches). If a starter is cruising and is a guy who usually goes deep, I highly doubt pulling him in a tie game becomes a consideration until the 7th. Plus, if that pitcher is an all around "ballplayer" and can deliver in situations (bunt, butcher), or can just flat out hit (Bumgarner), he can greatly influence his manager's decision.

I love the anticipation ahead of each of these moments in an NL game (less than 2 out, 8 hitter up with RISP and pen warming up), and sometimes a manager surprises you. I love Boch for the fact he'll often leave a guy like Bum in to hit in the late innings of close games. Every time he does that, he's showing great faith in his guys, and I think this is one of the reasons his guys are so loyal.

Runscott · #9 01-25-2016, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dgo71

At $25M/year for a pitcher, I want him to pitch. Not only that, I don't want to worry about him getting lifted in the 4th inning because I need a pinch hitter. I want him pitching and giving me 6-7 innings. I'd also rather see a competent hitter in the 9-hole as opposed to some sure out flailing helplessly at 3 straight pitchers. I'm as nostalgic as the next guy but I'm not so rooted in tradition that I expect bread to still be a nickel, and I don't expect baseball to never change just to placate the purists.

Just as bread has gone up from a nickel, the cost of pitchers has gone up. But bread is still bread.

Mountaineer1999 · #10 01-25-2016, 08:21 PM

I heard today, no DH for the NL anytime soon

RichardSimon · #11 01-26-2016, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

I heard today, no DH for the NL anytime soon

Donnie,
Where did your information come from?

Tripredacus · #12 01-26-2016, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Donnie,
Where did your information come from?

I saw it on Deadspin.
http://deadspin.com/the-national-lea...ile-1755150183

Joshchisox08 · #13 01-26-2016, 04:53 PM

Fact is the National League has been around since 1876. Why oh why now? Boredom from fans? More offense? UGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! If you find the game boring don't watch it.

I find as little reason to add a DH, thus changing more rules in a league that has not had a DH ever, as I found in adding instant replay, and pitch clocks to the game.

All stupid reasons from people with slow attention spans, whom largely don't care about the game and never will. Baseball seems to think that tweeks like this will draw more fans due to more offense. Truth is if you don't like baseball you don't like it.

I think they need to STOP. I'm sure the new commissioner has absolutely NOTHING to do with this either......................................

Mountaineer1999 · #14 01-26-2016, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Donnie,
Where did your information come from?

Rob Manfred made a statment stating no NL DH in the foreseeable future.