PSA 10 v PSA 9.5 v PSA 9

[begsu1013]

but this one goes to 11.

[swarmee]

Here's my respoonse, although it seems you're just bashing/fishing/trolling.

1) PSA started their 10 point system with Gem Mint in 1998-ish. Before then, were cards ever referred to as Gem Mint? That was the new high standard.

2) BGS started grading cards later and wanted to attract new customers, so they invented the Pristine 10 (and last year introduced the Black Label All 10 subgrades), notching Gem Mint down to 9.5 .

3) I don't know when SGC started grading cards, and I don't see it on their website. But either they did it after PSA but before BGS, or after both of them.

4) PSA will not change their max grade of Gem Mint because it could require them to perform "mechanical error" corrections for FREE on every card if they changed their grading scale. There also seems to be no demand/need for adding a Pristine grade through PSA.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by swarmee

Here's my respoonse, although it seems you're just bashing/fishing/trolling.

1) PSA started their 10 point system with Gem Mint in 1998-ish. Before then, were cards ever referred to as Gem Mint? That was the new high standard.

I've seen the term "gem mint" in hobby articles/ads from the 1970s, though it was an informal description and not a technical term. PSA started grading cards in 1991, not 1998, and I believe they used the same 10-point scale from the beginning. The first TPG, Alan Hager's Accugrade, started in 1989, and I think it used the same 10-point scale. Certainly, "Hager's Comprehensive Guide to Rare Baseball Cards, 1886 to Present", published in 1993, describes a 10-point scale with the same descriptions PSA uses today, including "GEM MINT" for 10. (In this book Hager repeatedly describes this 10-point scale as copyrighted by him, and I think PSA may have had to pay him royalties until his company collapsed in scandal.)

[Fred]

PSA and SGC will some be coming out with the PSA 11 and SGC 105 grades.

[Mountaineer1999]

How about no 10's , only 9 Mint? How is a card better than Mint? No that card is only Mint, this baby is Gem Mint!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer1999

How about no 10's , only 9 Mint? How is a card better than Mint? No that card is only Mint, this baby is Gem Mint!

Exactly my feeling. It's an artificial grade.

[insidethewrapper]

Should be graded 1-100. Centering should be by computer (ie. if 58/42 ) then only so high of a grade could be made. Cornering, etc. would reduce the number. If a crease, then maybe start at 50 and go down from there based on all other grading factors. Seems like someone with computer IQ could develop a great software program and blow all the other sevices off the board. Each card could be analyzed by a laser or something else and take more of the human element out of it.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Fred

PSA and SGC will some be coming out with the PSA 11 and SGC 105 grades.

SGC already has a Pristine grade. It is 100. Gem Mint is 98 with Mint being 96.

[CW]

PWCC has already auctioned off PWCC Certified High End PSA 10s...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Topps-F...p2047675.l2557

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

PWCC has already auctioned off PWCC Certified High End PSA 10s...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Topps-F...p2047675.l2557

I think that was discussed somewhere before. To me, it makes no sense.

[pokerplyr80]

A 10 is allowed to be slightly off center and can have a minor print defect. One 10 can be better than another. Especially on newer cards. Plus the chance to cross to a BGS 10 could lead to a huge payoff if you're lucky

[SAllen2556]

Originally Posted by CW

PWCC has already auctioned off PWCC Certified High End PSA 10s...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1984-Topps-F...p2047675.l2557

It's the silliest damn thing I ever heard, but this is, again, why I believe there's a market for a fourth party grading service. You send in your psa graded cards and a team of experts will add one of three designations: happy monkey, normal monkey, or sad monkey. If the "experts" designate your card "happy monkey", you get rich!

[1880nonsports]

I would have thought your image to be that of card doctors monkeying around before posting their latest creations on the 'Bay. They look too old to be PSA graders. I hear they're also responsible for the forged "banana" Mantle's.